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John Razler
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Are underground Militia/War Parties taken into account when determining if half the attacking or defending force are Regulars?

For example, if the French are attacking (Pats paid)and have 2 Regulars, 2 Continentals, and 1 Underground Militia do they have half Regulars or would then need a third French Regular?
 
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razlerja wrote:
Are underground Militia/War Parties taken into account when determining if half the attacking or defending force are Regulars?

For example, if the French are attacking (Pats paid)and have 2 Regulars, 2 Continentals, and 1 Underground Militia do they have half Regulars or would then need a third French Regular?


Include all the Faction's pieces including underground Militia. In your example the French would need another Regular.
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Martin Lawrence
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If this is true then the battle example in the rulebook is wrong.

5 British regulars
2 Tories
4 War parties

Example shows the British get the regular bonus
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John Razler
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hankhankhank wrote:
razlerja wrote:
Are underground Militia/War Parties taken into account when determining if half the attacking or defending force are Regulars?

For example, if the French are attacking (Pats paid)and have 2 Regulars, 2 Continentals, and 1 Underground Militia do they have half Regulars or would then need a third French Regular?


Include all the Faction's pieces including underground Militia. In your example the French would need another Regular.


So, then does "Attacking/Defending Pieces" as stated in 3.6.5/3.6.6 also include forts and villages, which do not otherwise attack?

Ex: 4 Regulars + 4 Tories + 1 Village in a space attacking Pat units would not have at least 1/2 Regulars? Same if n+ Underground units?

 
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longball wrote:
If this is true then the battle example in the rulebook is wrong.

5 British regulars
2 Tories
4 War parties

Example shows the British get the regular bonus


Looking over the example, I think it goes this way:

5 British Regulars + 2 Tories + 2 Active War Parties + 1 Underground War Party are attacking, giving 5 Regulars to 5 non-regulars. Thus half the units are regulars.
 
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So, if there were additional underground War Parties beyond the one needed for the bonus, they would not be counted against the "at least half" calculation? Sounds right.

Also, forts and villages when their side is attacking would likewise not count?

Any others have thoughts?

 
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Harold Buchanan
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In the interest of making this modifier easier to apply I am changing it to:

"At least half Attacking Cubes are Regulars (if any).... +1"

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"At least half Defending Cubes are Regulars (if any).... +1"



This will take effect in the reprint and incorporated immediately in the living rules - which you should see soon.

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John Razler
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Just so I understand it clearly, then...

An "attacking" piece is actively involved in affecting the battle in some way. So, for example, villages or excess underground units would not apply. Correct?

EDIT: Ah, strike that. I see... Now limited to "cubes". OK - that does simplify it greatly.

BTW - thanks, Harold, for taking such an active involvement in answering all of our questions. Your interaction make this game quite enjoyable!
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razlerja wrote:


BTW - thanks, Harold, for taking such an active involvement in answering all of our questions. Your interaction make this game quite enjoyable!


Hey John

Thanks for your involvement - it enables me to make changes to make the game more playable and reduce misunderstanding. I also appreciate your pragmatic and useful suggestions on other LoD threads ;-)

Hope you can come to the SD Historical Games Convention in November!

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John Razler
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I think you might want to reconsider this.

I had a situation in which 1 Regular and 4 Active War Parties were defending in an attack. It didn't quite seem right to give them the +1 bonus for 1/2 defending "cubes" as regulars.

Perhaps "If 1/2 defending/attacking active units are Regulars then +1" would be better. That would include Tories, active WP, and active Militia being "lead" by Regulars, but would exclude underground units, forts, and villages which are passive participants in the battle. What I assume you wanted to do was give a bonus for the presence of the more disciplined and professionally trained Regulars being a substantial portion of the actively engaged troops. I think this change would do that nicely.
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