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http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/1488.htm...

Also known as: 8814

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1488 is a combination of two popular white supremacist numeric symbols. The first symbol is 14, which is shorthand for the "14 Words" slogan: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." The second is 88, which stands for "Heil Hitler" (H being the 8th letter of the alphabet). Together, the numbers form a general endorsement of white supremacy and its beliefs. As such, they are ubiquitous within the white supremacist movement - as graffiti, in graphics and tattoos, even in screen names and e-mail addresses, such as aryanprincess1488@hate.net. Some white supremacists will even price racist merchandise, such as t-shirts or compact discs, for $14.88.

The symbol is most commonly written as 1488 or 14/88, but variations such as 14-88 or 8814 are also common.




They are associated with the "alt-right" movement. The "alt-right" is not the 1488ers as much as the 1488ers have attached themselves to the "alt-right".

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-co...
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Previously an obscure subculture, the alt-right burst onto the national political scene in 2015. Although initially small in number, the alt-right has a youthful energy and jarring, taboo-defying rhetoric that have boosted its membership and made it impossible to ignore.

It has already triggered a string of fearful op-eds and hit pieces from both Left and Right: Lefties dismiss it as racist, while the conservative press, always desperate to avoid charges of bigotry from the Left, has thrown these young readers and voters to the wolves as well.

National Review attacked them as bitter members of the white working-class who worship “father-Führer” Donald Trump. Betsy Woodruff of The Daily Beast attacked Rush Limbaugh for sympathising with the “white supremacist alt-right.” BuzzFeed begrudgingly acknowledged that the movement has a “great feel for how the internet works,” while simultaneously accusing them of targeting “blacks, Jews, women, Latinos and Muslims.”

The amount of column inches generated by the alt-right is a testament to their cultural punch. But so far, no one has really been able to explain the movement’s appeal and reach without desperate caveats and virtue-signalling to readers.

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I had no idea neo-Nazis knew how to count or read or use a computer.
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maxo-texas wrote:

They are associated with the "alt-right" movement. The "alt-right" is not the 1488ers as much as the 1488ers have attached themselves to the "alt-right".

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-co...


That was a good column on the alt-right, but not sure I'd put Razib Khan in the alt-right as that column does, though. I've had some good convos with Khan on epigenetics, and he seems very driven by the science: if a paper came up that really weakened the genetics-culture linkage hypothese, he'd go where the science indicated. Not sure that that would be the case with e.g. Steve Sailer.
 
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Even their dice are stupid; a d6 should have the '3' and '4' on opposite faces, not next to each other like in that one tattoo image.
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wifwendell wrote:
Even their dice are stupid; a d6 should have the '3' and '4' on opposite faces, not next to each other like in that one tattoo image.
Ahh, Trump dice.
 
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wifwendell wrote:
Even their dice are stupid; a d6 should have the '3' and '4' on opposite faces, not next to each other like in that one tattoo image.


Custom dice with the Secret Hitler kickstarter.
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wifwendell wrote:
Even their dice are stupid; a d6 should have the '3' and '4' on opposite faces, not next to each other like in that one tattoo image.


This is the sort of political commentary which makes RSP uniquely valuable.
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maxo-texas wrote:
They are associated with the "alt-right" movement. The "alt-right" is not the 1488ers as much as the 1488ers have attached themselves to the "alt-right".


Oh brother.. I dont think the author quite understands what the alt right is.

Also I love the 1488 break down, it reminds me of the band 3/11 and how the kids claimed it was racist. Holy shit, just when you think the people in RSP have sunk to the bottom, Maxo finds a way to employ a few more inches of the cesspool.

You may as well have thrown this in for good measure.

 
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jeremycobert wrote:

Also I love the 1488 break down, it reminds me of the band 3/11 and how the kids claimed it was racist. Holy shit, just when you think the people in RSP have sunk to the bottom, Maxo finds a way to employ a few more inches of the cesspool.


Really? 88 and 18 are well known as being neo-nazi signifiers. There were at one time neo-nazi groups called Combat 18 and Column 88 in the UK.

The 14 significance seems to be a new American specific thing so far.
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wifwendell wrote:
Even their dice are stupid; a d6 should have the '3' and '4' on opposite faces, not next to each other like in that one tattoo image.


I now have a theory explaining how Trump casinos lose money.
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andyl wrote:
jeremycobert wrote:

Also I love the 1488 break down, it reminds me of the band 3/11 and how the kids claimed it was racist. Holy shit, just when you think the people in RSP have sunk to the bottom, Maxo finds a way to employ a few more inches of the cesspool.


Really? 88 and 18 are well known as being neo-nazi signifiers. There were at one time neo-nazi groups called Combat 18 and Column 88 in the UK.

The 14 significance seems to be a new American specific thing so far.


Jeremy's response seems odd on this one. Almost automated.

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jeremycobert wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
They are associated with the "alt-right" movement. The "alt-right" is not the 1488ers as much as the 1488ers have attached themselves to the "alt-right".


Oh brother.. I dont think the author quite understands what the alt right is.

Also I love the 1488 break down, it reminds me of the band 3/11 and how the kids claimed it was racist. Holy shit, just when you think the people in RSP have sunk to the bottom, Maxo finds a way to employ a few more inches of the cesspool.

You may as well have thrown this in for good measure.



It isn't like 1488/8841 is some conspiracy theory. Type 1488 in google.

And while 1488 people may have attached to alt-right, I doubt many alt-right are so happy about that. (but, I assume that's pretty much implied as you usually don't say "1488ers have attached themselves to the "alt-right" " if the alt-right was completely enthusiastic about it.
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That said. I'd rather talk about such groups as little as possible.

Even bad attention is good for them - allowing more extremists to flock to the cause. I'd rather just state racism is bad and move on.
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xuzuthor wrote:
That said. I'd rather talk about such groups as little as possible.

Even bad attention is good for them - allowing more extremists to flock to the cause. I'd rather just state racism is bad and move on.


You have to know about them to recognize their signals and dog whistles.

But I agree, it's a tough call.

At the end, I feel exposure and awareness is better than letting them fester until they reach critical mass.
 
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maxo-texas wrote:
xuzuthor wrote:
That said. I'd rather talk about such groups as little as possible.

Even bad attention is good for them - allowing more extremists to flock to the cause. I'd rather just state racism is bad and move on.


You have to know about them to recognize their signals and dog whistles.

But I agree, it's a tough call.

At the end, I feel exposure and awareness is better than letting them fester until they reach critical mass.


I agree; it's a tough call. I have no desire to keep people in the dark about anything, but do not want to advertise for them either.

The issue is that unless you give constant coverage, the majority of Americans will not find out and that kind of coverage would be bad.
 
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andyl wrote:
Really? 88 and 18 are well known as being neo-nazi signifiers. There were at one time neo-nazi groups called Combat 18 and Column 88 in the UK.

The 14 significance seems to be a new American specific thing so far.


I did some reading about neonazism around 2000 (a writing project that turned into a roleplay scenario!?). As part of that I found myself looking at a lot of horrible websites and then corresponding with a couple in California. "18" and "88" symbolism was prevalent, but "14" was insider code, almost a shibboleth. I have noticed all three in Australia.
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More Mac propaganda. He's trying hard to get out in front of this. Two words: Heil Hillary.

You will note Hillary Clinton is 14 letters long.

 
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xuzuthor wrote:
That said. I'd rather talk about such groups as little as possible.

Even bad attention is good for them - allowing more extremists to flock to the cause. I'd rather just state racism is bad and move on.
good point, Jeremy now knows about this symbol and can incorporate it as a secret handshake to find like minded people. Education can be a double edged sword.
 
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=1488

White Supremacy Encryption

14 = The 14 words

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"

Phrase coined by George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party

88 = H is the 8th letter of the alphabet
ergo 88 = HH = Heil Hitler
WHITE PRIDE WORLD WIDE 1488!

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/references-dylan...

Groups associated with 1488 and racist organizations.

Council of Conservative Citizens
Northwest Front
American Renaissance
American Freedom Party
American Nazi Party
Aryan Brotherhood
Aryan Nations (considered a terrorist network)
Council of Conservative Citizens
Creativity Movement, (formerly known as the World Church of the Creator)
EURO (lead by David Duke)
Ku Klux Klan
National Alliance
National Association for the Advancement of White People
National Policy Institute (think tank)
National Socialist Movement
National Vanguard
Nationalist Movement
Occidental Quarterly
Phineas Priesthood (christian racists)
Volksfront
White Aryan Resistance

Also note references to Rhodesia and South Africa are symbols of white supremacy. Rhodesia subscribed explicitly to white rule over other races.

There are many other organizations which are racist hate groups of course. They just don't have ties to 1488 (yet).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_designat...

The number of racist organizations has exploded under obama. But I wonder if that is from the existing organizations fracturing or is a reflection of the millenials in some way.

So I wondered about the total number of racists in the u.s.
http://ijr.com/2014/04/133024-10-charts-show-racist-america-...

It looks like about 13% of american are strongly racist (so maybe 20 million if you ignore children under 18) if you use this as a proxy.

This slices it a little finer. Essentially people who don't even want to live near people of other races are in the single digits. "Hardcore" instead of "strongly" imho.


It looks like the number of hardcore racists in the U.S. is under 5%. No hard number ... if anyone can find one (FBI data?).

Of course many hardcore racists won't take the final step of joining a racist organization and acting on their beliefs beyond moving away or avoiding interaction with people of other races.

As u.s. demographics continue to trend towards a lower percentage of whites I expect the number of racists to continue to shrink but worry they maybe come more extremist as their percentage of the population (and their power) declines.

 
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I am actually surprised that the numbers and will look into it if I have the time.

I would have expected the number of people to disapprove of marriage between black and white to be even lower (even in 2013).

I wouldn't mind checking the age breakdown as well, which I am sure I'd see if I checked the data.
 
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xuzuthor wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:



I am actually surprised that the numbers and will look into it if I have the time.

I would have expected the number of people to disapprove of marriage between black and white to be even lower (even in 2013).

I wouldn't mind checking the age breakdown as well, which I am sure I'd see if I checked the data.


Age breakdown is in the article but I didn't want to go full shreve.



It's mostly as expected- older people are more strongly racist.

But don't forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting

Where a young church going christian went and murdered a bunch of black christians in cold blood hoping to start a race war.

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This is one of the things that bothers me about the alt-right. They may start out from a trolling/joking perspective but the racism is still there and corrupts them and matures to something uglier in them over time. It's easier for hard core racists to seduce softcore racists in that environment.
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maxo-texas wrote:
Age breakdown is in the article but I didn't want to go full shreve.
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And even though it probably does not need saying, 65+ people tend to go more conservative/republican so that likely skews those numbers a bit as well.

Don't happen to have age-adjusted stats for those?
 
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xuzuthor wrote:
And even though it probably does not need saying, 65+ people tend to go more conservative/republican so that likely skews those numbers a bit as well.

Don't happen to have age-adjusted stats for those?


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