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Lina B
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Let me start by saying as a rule, I don't mind losing. I just want to play. But... Sometimes there's a game that just doesn't click for me. And I lose by large margins every stinking time. One of those games is Outpost. We've had it for a couple of years, and my husband and everyone else we play beats me. Except now! My husband pulled it out Sunday night and we played, even though I wasn't crazy about it.

And I won. By a lot. Must have been a fluke, so we set up for a second game.

And I won, AGAIN! I was on a roll. Everyone has a good day once in a while.

He pulls it out again last night, to put me back in my place, and I win two more times!

I have never enjoyed a win (or 4) more! I'm thinking about never playing it again so I don't break my streak.
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...I hadn't got to the really interesting bit...
 
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I'm glad you enjoyed the games... but I kind of question this logic:
Lina688 wrote:
I'm thinking about never playing it again so I don't break my streak.
To me, it sounds like you enjoyed the winning a lot more than the playing. If you really loved playing these games, I'd expect something like "I can't wait to play again!". But the fact that you, even jokingly, suggest you might never play again so as to preserve your winning streak... I dunno. It makes me feel like you're playing games for the wrong reasons.
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I agree with you. Busting up a slump with a win streak is even more glorious.
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Lina688 wrote:
I'm thinking about never playing it again so I don't break my streak.



Years ago, I played and won my first and only game of History of the World. I retired undefeated.
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True story, I am a life-time winning baccarat player. Years ago in Vegas I sat down at a baccarat table (at a friend's goading). Won the first 3 bets and then lost the 4th won. I got up, $50 up, and never played baccarat again. And never will. (I bet there aren't many baccarat pros out there.)

Still, I kinda think you should keep playing Outpost. If you enjoy the game, that's what it's all about. (Baccarat, fyi, is boring.)

Edit: Or why not Alien Frontiers? Same theme, better rated game.
 
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Thunkd wrote:
I'm glad you enjoyed the games... but I kind of question this logic:
Lina688 wrote:
I'm thinking about never playing it again so I don't break my streak.
To me, it sounds like you enjoyed the winning a lot more than the playing. If you really loved playing these games, I'd expect something like "I can't wait to play again!". But the fact that you, even jokingly, suggest you might never play again so as to preserve your winning streak... I dunno. It makes me feel like you're playing games for the wrong reasons.


Don't get me wrong, I like winning. And I love playing games just for playing. I lose about 75% of the time and I don't stop playing. But this game, in particular, caused me no end of frustration. I just could never accomplish anything. While I understood the rules and basic strategy, I couldn't even improve my scores. It stopped being fun, and became a slog every time.
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Thunkd wrote:
It makes me feel like you're playing games for the wrong reasons.


Playing to win is the wrong reason? WTF? You always have to play to win. Tons of gaming problems stem from players who aren't trying to win. Kingmaking, sandbagging, ruining the game for the other players, the list goes on.

And yes, winning does feel good and it's nice to celebrate. We don't have to crap all over people for saying such an obvious fact. It's better than any trophy for participating.
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GeoffreyB wrote:
I agree with you. Busting up a slump with a win streak is even more glorius.


FTFY
 
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For me there's a difference between losing and losing big. If a game is won with most VP, and I lose because I have >20 VP less than the winner, it's just crappy and I won't enjoy it very much.

If I lose with a 2 or 3 VP difference, I don't mind and would want to play it again, only to win with 2 or 3 VP this time.

In both cases I have probably enjoyed playing the game, but the memory of the game will be better in the 2nd situation.
 
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Thunkd wrote:
I'm glad you enjoyed the games... but I kind of question this logic:
Lina688 wrote:
I'm thinking about never playing it again so I don't break my streak.
To me, it sounds like you enjoyed the winning a lot more than the playing. If you really loved playing these games, I'd expect something like "I can't wait to play again!". But the fact that you, even jokingly, suggest you might never play again so as to preserve your winning streak... I dunno. It makes me feel like you're playing games for the wrong reasons.


So, playing to win is now a "wrong reason" to play at all? We should only be playing to enjoy playing? smh
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texascpa wrote:
Thunkd wrote:
I'm glad you enjoyed the games... but I kind of question this logic:
Lina688 wrote:
I'm thinking about never playing it again so I don't break my streak.
To me, it sounds like you enjoyed the winning a lot more than the playing. If you really loved playing these games, I'd expect something like "I can't wait to play again!". But the fact that you, even jokingly, suggest you might never play again so as to preserve your winning streak... I dunno. It makes me feel like you're playing games for the wrong reasons.


So, playing to win is now a "wrong reason" to play at all? We should only be playing to enjoy playing? smh

Oh come on. Thunkd's comment was on the 'never playing again so I don't break my streak' bit, not on playing to win in general
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Lina688 wrote:
Let me start by saying as a rule, I don't mind losing. I just want to play. But... Sometimes there's a game that just doesn't click for me. And I lose by large margins every stinking time. One of those games is Outpost. We've had it for a couple of years, and my husband and everyone else we play beats me. Except now! My husband pulled it out Sunday night and we played, even though I wasn't crazy about it.

And I won. By a lot. Must have been a fluke, so we set up for a second game.

And I won, AGAIN! I was on a roll. Everyone has a good day once in a while.

He pulls it out again last night, to put me back in my place, and I win two more times!

I have never enjoyed a win (or 4) more! I'm thinking about never playing it again so I don't break my streak.


I agree with you, never play again. I won around $160 starting with $5 on the last three races at the horse track over 20 years ago. Can never bet again on the horses. There are lots of other games. I've never been to a dog track...
 
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jumbit wrote:
Thunkd wrote:
It makes me feel like you're playing games for the wrong reasons.


Playing to win is the wrong reason? WTF? You always have to play to win.
Playing to win is fine. Only playing to win isn't. If you don't enjoy playing and the only reason you play is to mark a notch on your win stick, then I think that's not healthy.

jumbit wrote:
And yes, winning does feel good and it's nice to celebrate. We don't have to crap all over people for saying such an obvious fact. It's better than any trophy for participating.
Celebrating a win seems a little tacky and rude. I wouldn't make a big show of how well I did in front of the losers. Personally, I try not to read too much into wins. Usually it's as much about getting a good card draw or someone else making a mistake as it is about anything I've done. And if I put too much into a win, it would make the losses feel bad. I'd much rather just enjoy the game and treat a win as a nice but lucky fluke.
 
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Thunkd wrote:
jumbit wrote:
Thunkd wrote:
It makes me feel like you're playing games for the wrong reasons.


Playing to win is the wrong reason? WTF? You always have to play to win.
Playing to win is fine. Only playing to win isn't. If you don't enjoy playing and the only reason you play is to mark a notch on your win stick, then I think that's not healthy.

jumbit wrote:
And yes, winning does feel good and it's nice to celebrate. We don't have to crap all over people for saying such an obvious fact. It's better than any trophy for participating.
Celebrating a win seems a little tacky and rude. I wouldn't make a big show of how well I did in front of the losers. Personally, I try not to read too much into wins. Usually it's as much about getting a good card draw or someone else making a mistake as it is about anything I've done. And if I put too much into a win, it would make the losses feel bad. I'd much rather just enjoy the game and treat a win as a nice but lucky fluke.


If I were just playing to win, given my track record (played at least 15 games, and ending in last place every time), I wouldn't have played at all. I'll admit I'm a terrible winner, but I'm a great loser. Since I lose almost all of the games I play, that works out just fine. My celebratory nature on this game was more about FINALLY figuring out a game that I couldn't wrap my head around previously.
 
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Thunkd wrote:
It makes me feel like you're playing games for the wrong reasons.


The comment struck me too... but for a different reason than the whole "playing to win" angle. My thought is that each person's reasons for playing a game are their own. Who am I to judge? I just don't see a "right" or "wrong" reason here.

As far as playing to win, I play games with friends exclusively. Mercilessly rubbing it in their faces when I win and they lose is all part of our bonding. I get the same in return when they all win. It's simply good natured ribbing among friends and we all have an easy understanding of this. No harm, no foul or love lost. And lots of laughter and great memories created. That's why I play games exclusively with friends.

Because if you are playing with people who are not close friends, Brian might have a fairly logical point -- dependent on how you act with those players when you do win and how well you know them.

Lina, keep on metagaming the "press your luck" aspect of this. For me, that game is Scrabble.
 
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I love playing games so much, but I am probably the dumbest, least strategically inclined person in my group. I just plan on losing most of the time, but I have won a few games, and when I do...internal fireworks!!!!!!!!! Good for you. ninja
 
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rdbret wrote:
Thunkd wrote:
It makes me feel like you're playing games for the wrong reasons.


The comment struck me too... but for a different reason than the whole "playing to win" angle. My thought is that each person's reasons for playing a game are their own. Who am I to judge? I just don't see a "right" or "wrong" reason here.


If OP is like me, I win about 10% of the games I play. So when I do win, it's fantastic. People who win every game they play can't know what it's like to finally win a game you've played a dozen times and never won! Definitely fuel for playing for games.
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Congratulations!!

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
 
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True story, I am a life-time winning baccarat player. Years ago in Vegas I sat down at a baccarat table (at a friend's goading). Won the first 3 bets and then lost the 4th won. I got up, $50 up, and never played baccarat again. And never will. (I bet there aren't many baccarat pros out there.)

Still, I kinda think you should keep playing Outpost. If you enjoy the game, that's what it's all about. (Baccarat, fyi, is boring.)

Edit: Or why not Alien Frontiers? Same theme, better rated game.


I can only hope that all gamblers would be like that. Keep those casinos dry. They're slurping $$$ in gallons anyway, so they need to be milked more. (And yeah, I am the casino hater, who thinks they shouldn't really be legal, but can't argue with those who want to play.)

But yeah, when someone is celebrating a game win, that looks kinda ridiculous. You got the most victory points! Oh yeah, now sell them off at the stock market! laugh
 
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Alas, the streak is over. We played two more games. I won the first, then he won the second. I won a total of 5 in a row.

But....

Then he suggested we play The Scepter of Zavandor, which is a reimplementation of Outpost with a change in theme and minor mechanic adjustments.

And I kicked his ass. First time I've ever won a two-player game of Scepter.

I offered to play a second round with him, but he refused.
 
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