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I've seen many accusations the the IRS is highly political and will happily serve the interests of Democrats in unethical ways. So why haven't they leaked Trump's tax returns?

If you believe those accusations and don't think this counts as evidence against them, what evidence would weaken your belief?
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rinelk wrote:
So why haven't they leaked Trump's tax returns?

The answer is obvious to anyone who loves Trump as much as I do: there's nothing damaging in them.

Next question?
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Why haven't they released fake ones with nasty stuff added in?
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What the IRS has said is there is nothing stopping Trump from releasing his tax returns. Contrary to what Trump has claimed ("can't release because being audited").
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What the IRS has said is there is nothing stopping Trump from releasing his tax returns. Contrary to what Trump has claimed ("can't release because being audited").
when will the damn IRS stop meddling in politics? Obama is out of control.
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It's dangerous for a leak at this time for anyone at the IRS. If they leak something and Trump wins, their career could be over. It much safer to harasses political opponents supporters then directly try and hard the person who could be in charge.
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It's against the law?

Interesting, though. Bill Clinton was the first candidate in decades that hid his medical records. Just like tax returns, nothing said he had to release them, but libs foamed at the mouth when cons jokingly asked why. (Everyone, to include honest libs, suspects it some combination of a history of cocaine addiction and/or VD.) Now the right of privacy is on the other foot and they are foaming at the mouth for the opposite reason.
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kuhrusty wrote:
rinelk wrote:
So why haven't they leaked Trump's tax returns?

The answer is obvious to anyone who loves Trump as much as I do: there's nothing damaging in them.

Next question?


I find the mixture of ironic, sarcastic and sincere thumbs on your post amusing.
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It's dangerous for a leak at this time for anyone at the IRS. If they leak something and Trump wins, their career could be over. It much safer to harasses political opponents supporters then directly try and hard the person who could be in charge.


No, it isn't. What they did before was also right before an election, and conservatives were deeply incensed. Even under Obama, the woman in charge ended up resigning.

Kuhrusty's answer was the obvious one I expected from our resident conservatives, but it's foolish, too--if Trump's returns aren't damaging, then the Dems are setting themselves up to look like idiots when Trump releases them later. The best part is, it never needs to become public that they leaked them just to top strategists in the Democratic Party. It's extremely low-risk. So the very fact that Dems are attacking Trump on his returns means that it can't both be true that the IRS is corrupt and that Trump's returns aren't problematic.

So I think conservatives have to admit that either Trump's tax returns show him to be a crook and a scoundrel, or else that their attacks on the IRS have been the result of partisanship so all-consuming it blinded them to reality.
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It's against the law?


So, you agree that the IRS does not violate the law to pursue partisan ends?
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No, it isn't. What they did before was also right before an election, and conservatives were deeply incensed. Even under Obama, the woman in charge ended up resigning.


The old "Kelsey you're an idiot" meme will never get old.

Lois Learner targeted tea party groups with audits to slow down their influence during a re-election. Completely different then directly attacking a candidate.
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rinelk wrote:
jeremycobert wrote:
It's dangerous for a leak at this time for anyone at the IRS. If they leak something and Trump wins, their career could be over. It much safer to harasses political opponents supporters then directly try and hard the person who could be in charge.


No, it isn't. What they did before was also right before an election, and conservatives were deeply incensed. Even under Obama, the woman in charge ended up resigning.

Kuhrusty's answer was the obvious one I expected from our resident conservatives, but it's foolish, too--if Trump's returns aren't damaging, then the Dems are setting themselves up to look like idiots when Trump releases them later. The best part is, it never needs to become public that they leaked them just to top strategists in the Democratic Party. It's extremely low-risk. So the very fact that Dems are attacking Trump on his returns means that it can't both be true that the IRS is corrupt and that Trump's returns aren't problematic.

So I think conservatives have to admit that either Trump's tax returns show him to be a crook and a scoundrel, or else that their attacks on the IRS have been the result of partisanship so all-consuming it blinded them to reality.


Or... the Dems are so sure they are going to landslide Trump that they are willing to let the IRS sit this one out and take some of the heat off them.
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jeremycobert wrote:
rinelk wrote:
No, it isn't. What they did before was also right before an election, and conservatives were deeply incensed. Even under Obama, the woman in charge ended up resigning.


The old "Kelsey you're an idiot" meme will never get old.

Lois Learner targeted tea party groups with audits to slow down their influence during a re-election. Completely different the directly attacking a candidate.


No, it isn't, on the very metric you supplied--if they did either and the Republican won, their career would be over. Heck, Lerner's career was in fact over even though the Democrat won! Do you honestly think that they would be safer under a Trump presidency if they just used targeted audits to harass his supporters?

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This would be a pretty obviously partisan and illegal thing to do especially given how much scrutiny the IRS is under right now. Not to mention career ending if Trump were to be elected.


But we've repeatedly been told that what they already did was obviously partisan and illegal. Are you suggesting now that you have doubts about whether what they did before was actually partisan and illegal?
 
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rinelk wrote:
jeremycobert wrote:
rinelk wrote:
No, it isn't. What they did before was also right before an election, and conservatives were deeply incensed. Even under Obama, the woman in charge ended up resigning.


The old "Kelsey you're an idiot" meme will never get old.

Lois Learner targeted tea party groups with audits to slow down their influence during a re-election. Completely different the directly attacking a candidate.


No, it isn't, on the very metric you supplied--if they did either and the Republican won, their career would be over. Heck, Lerner's career was in fact over even though the Democrat won! Do you honestly think that they would be safer under a Trump presidency if they just used targeted audits to harass his supporters?

galad2003 wrote:
This would be a pretty obviously partisan and illegal thing to do especially given how much scrutiny the IRS is under right now. Not to mention career ending if Trump were to be elected.


But we've repeatedly been told that what they already did was obviously partisan and illegal. Are you suggesting now that you have doubts about whether what they did before was actually partisan and illegal?


So if someone says some entity does something illegal, that implies they should keep doing illegal things?
What are you thinking here?
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TheDashi wrote:
rinelk wrote:
jeremycobert wrote:
rinelk wrote:
No, it isn't. What they did before was also right before an election, and conservatives were deeply incensed. Even under Obama, the woman in charge ended up resigning.


The old "Kelsey you're an idiot" meme will never get old.

Lois Learner targeted tea party groups with audits to slow down their influence during a re-election. Completely different the directly attacking a candidate.


No, it isn't, on the very metric you supplied--if they did either and the Republican won, their career would be over. Heck, Lerner's career was in fact over even though the Democrat won! Do you honestly think that they would be safer under a Trump presidency if they just used targeted audits to harass his supporters?

galad2003 wrote:
This would be a pretty obviously partisan and illegal thing to do especially given how much scrutiny the IRS is under right now. Not to mention career ending if Trump were to be elected.


But we've repeatedly been told that what they already did was obviously partisan and illegal. Are you suggesting now that you have doubts about whether what they did before was actually partisan and illegal?


So if someone says some entity does something illegal, that implies they should keep doing illegal things?
What are you thinking here?


No. But if they had stopped doing biased and crooked things, reform intended to bring that about would be pointless. Since those who found the scrutiny of groups with political names problematic also generally support reform now, their position tells us that they think the IRS is still willing to do partisan, illegal things.

So, what do you think: is the IRS on the straight and narrow path now, such that reform is unnecessary?
 
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rinelk wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
rinelk wrote:
jeremycobert wrote:
rinelk wrote:
No, it isn't. What they did before was also right before an election, and conservatives were deeply incensed. Even under Obama, the woman in charge ended up resigning.


The old "Kelsey you're an idiot" meme will never get old.

Lois Learner targeted tea party groups with audits to slow down their influence during a re-election. Completely different the directly attacking a candidate.


No, it isn't, on the very metric you supplied--if they did either and the Republican won, their career would be over. Heck, Lerner's career was in fact over even though the Democrat won! Do you honestly think that they would be safer under a Trump presidency if they just used targeted audits to harass his supporters?

galad2003 wrote:
This would be a pretty obviously partisan and illegal thing to do especially given how much scrutiny the IRS is under right now. Not to mention career ending if Trump were to be elected.


But we've repeatedly been told that what they already did was obviously partisan and illegal. Are you suggesting now that you have doubts about whether what they did before was actually partisan and illegal?


So if someone says some entity does something illegal, that implies they should keep doing illegal things?
What are you thinking here?


No. But if they had stopped doing biased and crooked things, reform intended to bring that about would be pointless. Since those who found the scrutiny of groups with political names problematic also generally support reform now, their position tells us that they think the IRS is still willing to do partisan, illegal things.

So, what do you think: is the IRS on the straight and narrow path now, such that reform is unnecessary?


Who was held accountable?
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TheDashi wrote:
rinelk wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
rinelk wrote:
jeremycobert wrote:
rinelk wrote:
No, it isn't. What they did before was also right before an election, and conservatives were deeply incensed. Even under Obama, the woman in charge ended up resigning.


The old "Kelsey you're an idiot" meme will never get old.

Lois Learner targeted tea party groups with audits to slow down their influence during a re-election. Completely different the directly attacking a candidate.


No, it isn't, on the very metric you supplied--if they did either and the Republican won, their career would be over. Heck, Lerner's career was in fact over even though the Democrat won! Do you honestly think that they would be safer under a Trump presidency if they just used targeted audits to harass his supporters?

galad2003 wrote:
This would be a pretty obviously partisan and illegal thing to do especially given how much scrutiny the IRS is under right now. Not to mention career ending if Trump were to be elected.


But we've repeatedly been told that what they already did was obviously partisan and illegal. Are you suggesting now that you have doubts about whether what they did before was actually partisan and illegal?


So if someone says some entity does something illegal, that implies they should keep doing illegal things?
What are you thinking here?


No. But if they had stopped doing biased and crooked things, reform intended to bring that about would be pointless. Since those who found the scrutiny of groups with political names problematic also generally support reform now, their position tells us that they think the IRS is still willing to do partisan, illegal things.

So, what do you think: is the IRS on the straight and narrow path now, such that reform is unnecessary?


Who was held accountable?


If you answer my question, I'll do the research to answer yours. If it helps, I should remind you that the GOP platform calls the IRS "toxic".
 
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rinelk wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
rinelk wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
rinelk wrote:
jeremycobert wrote:
rinelk wrote:
No, it isn't. What they did before was also right before an election, and conservatives were deeply incensed. Even under Obama, the woman in charge ended up resigning.


The old "Kelsey you're an idiot" meme will never get old.

Lois Learner targeted tea party groups with audits to slow down their influence during a re-election. Completely different the directly attacking a candidate.


No, it isn't, on the very metric you supplied--if they did either and the Republican won, their career would be over. Heck, Lerner's career was in fact over even though the Democrat won! Do you honestly think that they would be safer under a Trump presidency if they just used targeted audits to harass his supporters?

galad2003 wrote:
This would be a pretty obviously partisan and illegal thing to do especially given how much scrutiny the IRS is under right now. Not to mention career ending if Trump were to be elected.


But we've repeatedly been told that what they already did was obviously partisan and illegal. Are you suggesting now that you have doubts about whether what they did before was actually partisan and illegal?


So if someone says some entity does something illegal, that implies they should keep doing illegal things?
What are you thinking here?


No. But if they had stopped doing biased and crooked things, reform intended to bring that about would be pointless. Since those who found the scrutiny of groups with political names problematic also generally support reform now, their position tells us that they think the IRS is still willing to do partisan, illegal things.

So, what do you think: is the IRS on the straight and narrow path now, such that reform is unnecessary?


Who was held accountable?


If you answer my question, I'll do the research to answer yours. If it helps, I should remind you that the GOP platform calls the IRS "toxic".


No need.
I see you dont live on this planet.
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I should maybe add, since people are stupid and some of you obviously think I'm a person, that I understand Kuhrusty's answer was a joke (coming from him). He might worship Satan, but he's not a bad guy.
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Have you ever tried to coordinate rogue agents?

 
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Have you ever tried to coordinate rogue agents?


Is it like herding cats?
 
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remorseless1 wrote:
Altair IV wrote:
Have you ever tried to coordinate rogue agents?


Is it like herding cats?


I already used that this week.

How about "wrangling lemurs"?
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