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Am I going to be missing out on a bunch of content due to the ability to add 1st edition monsters, investigators, and tiles to the 2nd edition? 1st edition is already hard to get ahold of at a reasonable price.
 
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Am I going to be missing out on a bunch of content due to the ability to add 1st edition monsters, investigators, and tiles to the 2nd edition? 1st edition is already hard to get ahold of at a reasonable price.


The core 2e box comes with all the monsters and investigators from 1e. The catch is you lack the minis, but -- at least for the monsters -- 33 tokens are included to represent them (ala Arkham/Eldritch monsters). You'll lack the tiles from 1e, but we still don't know how cool the incorporation of those will be.
 
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Yes, but it's likely to be re-released in some form or another, or they'll release so many expansions that effectively offer the same thing you won't care.
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Yes, but it's likely to be re-released in some form or another, or they'll release so many expansions that effectively offer the same thing you won't care.


Agreed. Fantasy Flight will give you plenty of 2e content to spend your money on.
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Anarchosyn wrote:
Dracolichking wrote:
Am I going to be missing out on a bunch of content due to the ability to add 1st edition monsters, investigators, and tiles to the 2nd edition? 1st edition is already hard to get ahold of at a reasonable price.


The core 2e box comes with all the monsters and investigators from 1e. The catch is you lack the minis, but -- at least for the monsters -- 33 tokens are included to represent them (ala Arkham/Eldritch monsters). You'll lack the tiles from 1e, but we still don't know how cool the incorporation of those will be.


not having the minis is a bummer but not a huge issue. The biggest form of variety/replayability will come from the app not the addition of the the 1st ed stuff. One thing we have learned through the RTL app is that the app enables FFG to create new/unique content with relative ease and frequency compared to printed material. I think this will be even more so the case for MoM 2nd because the game was always about the ambiance and unique story of each mission. So each scenario may utilize the same components, for the most part, but they will feel radically different because of the puzzles and unique objectives.

So I suspect that the biggest source of variety will come from what they release within the app, not what's added via expansions or 1st ed. stuffg
 
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I'm in the same position as the OP. Didn't realize there would be cardboard tokens for the 1st ed. monsters. That's great! I can live with that until they bring out the expansions for me to throw money at.
 
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I'm in the same position as the OP. Didn't realize there would be cardboard tokens for the 1st ed. monsters. That's great! I can live with that until they bring out the expansions for me to throw money at.


I don't think this it true at all. The cards for info are included but ffg has made it pretty clear you need to tell the app you have 1st ed to use this content, so you probably need at least the tiles as well.
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I'm in the same position as the OP. Didn't realize there would be cardboard tokens for the 1st ed. monsters. That's great! I can live with that until they bring out the expansions for me to throw money at.


I don't think this it true at all. The cards for info are included but ffg has made it pretty clear you need to tell the app you have 1st ed to use this content, so you probably need at least the tiles as well.


https://boardgamegeek.com/article/23284945#23284945

The tokens will be in the box, as will the investigators, but it is indeed possible FFG will lock new owners out of the content by not allowing one to omit the tiles. It really depends on how granule the process is. You could be correct.

... but, if that were the case, then why inflate the cost of the core set by forcing the conversion kit into the base? Anybody familiar with business knows high prices act as a disincentive, and one always aims to grow their install base (new users should be a larger set than existing users). To include content entirely useless to new players doesn't seem a smart move, and certainly a touch dimmer than FFG normally goes.
 
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https://boardgamegeek.com/article/23284945#23284945

The tokens will be in the box, as will the investigators, but it is indeed possible FFG will lock new owners out of the content by not allowing one to omit the tiles. It really depends on how granule the process is. You could be correct.

... but, if that were the case, then why inflate the cost of the core set by forcing the conversion kit into the base? Anybody familiar with business knows high prices act as a disincentive, and one always aims to grow their install base (new users should be a larger set than existing users). To include content entirely useless to new players doesn't seem a smart move, and certainly a touch dimmer than FFG normally goes.


The all or nothing approach is consistent with RtL and their description of the MoM app. Also if these were generally usable I doubt they would be advertised as just a conversion kit.

The cost of these components will be pretty small, having a seperate kit week probably cost them more. They can also do this and still lock people out because of the app, which wasn't an option before.
 
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That will really stink if you have to have all the components rather than just proxy in other miniatures for monsters and investigators. Mainly because the expansions Call of the Wild and Forbidden Alchemy are out of print, impossible to find, and probably never going to be produced by FFG again, making those features forever unattainable. I guess I should rejoice that I have the 1st edition game but how I wish I had those two expansions too!
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I think the app will allow you to select what you do own. The Descent App allows you to select the amount of commitment you have put in. Thus, it will not use elements that you don't own.

If this 2e includes a conversion kit, then I assume the base app will only support those elements. It will probably include an option to select the amount of content you own from the previous game.

Luckily, I've purchased the expansions as they were released. As I didn't want to have experience of paying top dollar for an expansion again. I did that with Doom, will not do that again. I'm a bit behind in Descent, but that game is uber popular for them, so I can hold off a bit on it. Though, I will have to plunk down the cash soon.
 
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It doesn't make sense to me that they would include markers for 1st Ed. monsters & investigators if you can't play without the tiles. If I have the tiles from 1st ed. I should have the mini's as well, so why would I need the markers? I'm betting you can tell the app you do not have the 1st ed. tiles and still play with the markers.
 
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It doesn't make sense to me that they would include markers for 1st Ed. monsters & investigators if you can't play without the tiles. If I have the tiles from 1st ed. I should have the mini's as well, so why would I need the markers? I'm betting you can tell the app you do not have the 1st ed. tiles and still play with the markers.


The abilities are most certainly different than first edition, the combat system is not the same.
 
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Are we sure there are no monsters in the box? Are these monsters?

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Are we sure there are no monsters in the box? Are these monsters?


Yes, those are monsters. There are 24 monster tokens and 24 monster miniatures in the box. We're talking about the conversion kit, which purports to add 33~ more, but just as tiles.

https://boardgamegeek.com/article/23284945#23284945
 
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venrondua wrote:
Are we sure there are no monsters in the box? Are these monsters?


Yes, those are monsters. There are 24 monster tokens and 24 monster miniatures in the box. We're talking about the conversion kit, which purports to add 33~ more, but just as tiles.

https://boardgamegeek.com/article/23284945#23284945


But wouldn't that be because those who would use the conversion kits would already have mini's from their first editions?

I feel like I'm missing something
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venrondua wrote:
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venrondua wrote:
Are we sure there are no monsters in the box? Are these monsters?


Yes, those are monsters. There are 24 monster tokens and 24 monster miniatures in the box. We're talking about the conversion kit, which purports to add 33~ more, but just as tiles.

https://boardgamegeek.com/article/23284945#23284945


But wouldn't that be because those who would use the conversion kits would already have mini's from their first editions?

I feel like I'm missing something


Precisely. All will be made clear with the next preview (on Monday), but your point of confusion is precisely why I hope FFG intends for the monsters to be playable by all (otherwise why include the tokens at all? Never mind the larger issue of why include the conversion kit for all, raising the base cost for only a minority gain).

Still, we won't know till Monday for sure (hopefully -- the next preview is aimed squarely at the conversion kit).
 
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murteas wrote:
I'm in the same position as the OP. Didn't realize there would be cardboard tokens for the 1st ed. monsters. That's great! I can live with that until they bring out the expansions for me to throw money at.


I don't think this it true at all. The cards for info are included but ffg has made it pretty clear you need to tell the app you have 1st ed to use this content, so you probably need at least the tiles as well.


https://boardgamegeek.com/article/23284945#23284945

The tokens will be in the box, as will the investigators, but it is indeed possible FFG will lock new owners out of the content by not allowing one to omit the tiles. It really depends on how granule the process is. You could be correct.

... but, if that were the case, then why inflate the cost of the core set by forcing the conversion kit into the base? Anybody familiar with business knows high prices act as a disincentive, and one always aims to grow their install base (new users should be a larger set than existing users). To include content entirely useless to new players doesn't seem a smart move, and certainly a touch dimmer than FFG normally goes.


Considering FFG's pricing for other similar products, I imagine they included the CK in the box "for free" (i.e, the price wouldn't have been different even if they hadn't included the CK - you would have just to have paid an extra $20 if you *did* want the CK).
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venrondua wrote:
Anarchosyn wrote:
venrondua wrote:
Are we sure there are no monsters in the box? Are these monsters?


Yes, those are monsters. There are 24 monster tokens and 24 monster miniatures in the box. We're talking about the conversion kit, which purports to add 33~ more, but just as tiles.

https://boardgamegeek.com/article/23284945#23284945


But wouldn't that be because those who would use the conversion kits would already have mini's from their first editions?

I feel like I'm missing something


The minis are not the important part. The tokens in the base of the minis are the important part (i.e, the part that is mechanically important rather than just window dressing).
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It doesn't make sense to me that they would include markers for 1st Ed. monsters & investigators if you can't play without the tiles. If I have the tiles from 1st ed. I should have the mini's as well, so why would I need the markers? I'm betting you can tell the app you do not have the 1st ed. tiles and still play with the markers.


The markers are different. You'll have remove your old 1E markers from the bases and put in the new ones.
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Without the first edition you parctically can throw away the conversion kit, because most likely you can only select that you own the first edition or not and if you do, tiles from the 1ed will spawn randomly.

If that's the case, I will have to pass on this game, I don't let FFG force me to buy components I can't use and I'm guessing the huge amount of cardboard tokens add a lot to the price of the game (design costs and more expensive shipping, because of more weight).

First of all I was all like: Wow... 100$ really? then I read this game will have over 30 different monsters (with the conversion kit) a lot of heroes and map-tiles and thought, ok that's fair. But since you have to buy the 1ed to be able to really use what's in the 100$ game, I completely lost interest. I Never have seen my hype drop that fast for an FFG game, but imo they drove it into the ground with 100$ price for a non-license game and a good chunk of content I can only use when I buy the 70$ first edition (which makes this effectivly a game with less content than Descent for a higher price).


I really despise dissipation and this game awakes this kind of despise for this product 1 day after it's announcement, what a pity, I'm really a fan of FFG games.
 
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Without the first edition you parctically can throw away the conversion kit, because most likely you can only select that you own the first edition or not and if you do, tiles from the 1ed will spawn randomly.


This would be quite a stupid designer's move, if so. I don't see such superficiality coming from FFG
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Without the first edition you parctically can throw away the conversion kit, because most likely you can only select that you own the first edition or not and if you do, tiles from the 1ed will spawn randomly.

If that's the case, I will have to pass on this game, I don't let FFG force me to buy components I can't use and I'm guessing the huge amount of cardboard tokens add a lot to the price of the game (design costs and more expensive shipping, because of more weight).

First of all I was all like: Wow... 100$ really? then I read this game will have over 30 different monsters (with the conversion kit) a lot of heroes and map-tiles and thought, ok that's fair. But since you have to buy the 1ed to be able to really use what's in the 100$ game, I completely lost interest. I Never have seen my hype drop that fast for an FFG game, but imo they drove it into the ground with 100$ price for a non-license game and a good chunk of content I can only use when I buy the 70$ first edition (which makes this effectivly a game with less content than Descent for a higher price).


I really despise dissipation and this game awakes this kind of despise for this product 1 day after it's announcement, what a pity, I'm really a fan of FFG games.


There are still 24 monsters. You are just getting a handful of extra tokens for "free".

But yeah feel free to not buy it.

FFG really can't win here it seems.
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FFG really can't win here it seems.

I agree. I can't understand how people are getting so upset over getting ~$2 worth of extra cardboard they can't use included. Next thing people will be complaining about the extra cardboard that is wasted after punching out.
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