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For anyone not following the speculation thread Jump Drive is now listed on the RGG website.

It's a stand alone card game for 2-4 player and is simpler & faster than RftG. Exactly what that means is unknown at this point... Will it have keywords? Fewer phases? 6-cost devs? I'll looking forward to finding out and seeing it it's something my children might enjoy.
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Nice!!

It says that this game is perfect and should be played by people ages 130 and older haha! I'm loving this already!
 
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I wonder if this is a rethemed version of The City.
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jtakagi wrote:
I wonder if this is a rethemed version of The City.

No. It is not a retheme.
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Nice!!

It says that this game is perfect and should be played by people ages 130 and older haha! I'm loving this already!
I wonder if that last bit was actually a joke or a typo that was supposed to be 13+?
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Thunkd wrote:
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Nice!!

It says that this game is perfect and should be played by people ages 130 and older haha! I'm loving this already!
I wonder if that last bit was actually a joke or a typo that was supposed to be 13+?


Surely a typo but also, if shorter an easier surely a 10+

 
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I'd love to see them go back and instead of creating expansions to the old base set, create a new base set. It's a bit boring when 2/3rds of the cards when playing with arch 2 or 3 are same old, same old.

This sadly does not seem to that... not sure I need a simpler RftG, given that my favourite so far is full arch 1.
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Pedrator wrote:
Thunkd wrote:
Pedrator wrote:
Nice!!

It says that this game is perfect and should be played by people ages 130 and older haha! I'm loving this already!
I wonder if that last bit was actually a joke or a typo that was supposed to be 13+?


Surely a typo but also, if shorter an easier surely a 10+
In America the age range has less to do with how difficult the game is for children and more to do with the cost of having it certified. I forget the exact ages but I think 12 and over there's less concern about choking hazards and thus the game doesn't require certification, or at least not as extensive a certification as a game for younger children would. Therefore many games just go with 12+ to avoid having to pay to have the product go through the appropriate certifications.
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Makes sense Bryan. On the other hand it says that it is an introduction game into the RftG range. So you would assume they want younger players to learn it to get into RftG afterwards.

But if they label it 12+ that might defeat the purpose as surely consumers, even in the States, will use that as a reference of what might or might not be adequate for their kids? Or will consumers ignore the age indication entirely?
 
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Thunkd wrote:
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Surely a typo but also, if shorter an easier surely a 10+

In America the age range has less to do with how difficult the game is for children and more to do with the cost of having it certified.

Correct.

Due to new USA laws, a game that is listed for 12 and under needs to go through a Product Safety certification process that costs between $20K-50K and has to be redone every time a new edition or production run is made.

This is an example of a law that works for a Mattel or Hasbro with production runs in the million of units, but is completely inappropriate for small production runs of 5K-10K. Complying with it would add 6-12 months delay to the release of a product and add $10-$20 to the game's retail price (every $1 added to the publisher's cost is ~$5 added to its retail price, given how distribution works).

So, the result is that all hobby game manufacturers are listing their games for 13+ years. Sigh.

FYI, during testing, I played Jump Drive with kids who were 9-12 years old.
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Pedrator wrote:
But if they label it 12+ that might defeat the purpose as surely consumers, even in the States, will use that as a reference of what might or might not be adequate for their kids? Or will consumers ignore the age indication entirely?


They ignore the ESRB...
 
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Thunkd wrote:
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should be played by people ages 130 and older
I wonder if that last bit was actually a joke or a typo that was supposed to be 13+?

Typo. Fixed now.
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Tom Lehmann wrote:


FYI, during testing, I played Jump Drive with kids who were 9-12 years old.


We were crushed that first game at Haiticon!
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I've posted a teaser with four sample card images under News in the Jump Drive game entry.
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Tom Lehmann wrote:


This is an example of a law that works for a Mattel or Hasbro with production runs in the million of units, but is completely inappropriate for small production runs of 5K-10K. Complying with it would add 6-12 months delay to the release of a product and add $10-$20 to the game's retail price (every $1 added to the publisher's cost is ~$5 added to its retail price, given how distribution works).

So, the result is that all hobby game manufacturers are listing their games for 13+ years. Sigh.

FYI, during testing, I played Jump Drive with kids who were 9-12 years old.

Hmm, i wonder if BGG could add in a new attribute for game entries...

MIDEDIT: they already do! Manufacturer's suggested age vs what the community voted. (They already do this for game play time and player count range)

Alas, it won't be on the box, but at least more and more folks are checking BGG these days.
 
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Alas, it won't be on the box, but at least more and more folks are checking BGG these days.

This isn't any different from movie ratings, which are a guideline that people can use to determine what's appropriate, although everyone will have different breaking points as to which PG-13 and R movies are okay for which kids and which ages.
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W Eric Martin wrote:
This isn't any different from movie ratings

Other than the fact that almost all games are now rated PG-13... It ain't much of a rating scheme if every game has the same rating!
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Tom Lehmann wrote:
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This isn't any different from movie ratings

Other than the fact that almost all games are now rated PG-13... It ain't much of a rating scheme if every game has the same rating!

Good point! HABA, Gamewright, Blue Orange Games, and others who market to both mainstream and hobby in the U.S. do label their games appropriately, but yes, hobby-only publishers would likely be foolish to spend money on such things, so we now have a 13+ floor for playing age.
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I first became aware of this issue several years ago when I was assisting Matt Leacock with Pandemic: The Cure. Matt had done games, such as Forbidden Island, aimed at younger audiences than 13+. He wanted Pandemic: The Cure to have a 10+ age rating. Due to the law change, Z-Man/Filosofia couldn't do this economically, so he had to settle for 13+.
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I became aware of this as the parent of a 2 year old. There are zero toys labelled "suitable for 2 years", for exactly the same reason. 3 years is another boundary in the legal requirements.

Cheers, Graham
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Tom Lehmann wrote:
W Eric Martin wrote:
This isn't any different from movie ratings

Other than the fact that almost all games are now rated PG-13... It ain't much of a rating scheme if every game has the same rating!


In some circles, guardians/parents have stopped allowing children in the age range of PG to 13 year olds watching PG-13 movies, citing that many PG-13 films have gotten too inappropriate for them. Even that rating has become skewed.
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ackmondual wrote:
Tom Lehmann wrote:
W Eric Martin wrote:
This isn't any different from movie ratings

Other than the fact that almost all games are now rated PG-13... It ain't much of a rating scheme if every game has the same rating!


In some circles, guardians/parents have stopped allowing children in the age range of PG to 13 year olds watching PG-13 movies, citing that many PG-13 films have gotten too inappropriate for them. Even that rating has become skewed.

If you read up on the history of film ratings, you can see that the industry is constantly pushing the boundaries to expand the envelope more and more. PG pushed and we ended up w/ a PG-13 rating. Now the PG-13 movies push a bit, but not too hard because they don't want to get an R rating. The PG-13 market reaches a lot of kids and sadly the PG rating leads many to think a movie is "for kids" and not worth seeing.
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Tom Lehmann wrote:
I've posted a teaser with four sample card images under News in the Jump Drive game entry.

Can these be added to the Game Images section? Thanks!
 
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gamesbook wrote:
Tom Lehmann wrote:
I've posted a teaser with four sample card images under News in the Jump Drive game entry.

Can these be added to the Game Images section? Thanks!

In theory they shouldn't be as individual components aren't supposed to be added. I think most (all?) of the RftG cards on http://racepics.tk/ are in individual users galleries.
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