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Jamey, as a game designer, can you describe what it's like when you suddenly realize that you're not the best at your game anymore?

For months and years the game lives in your head, gets put onto paper, gets shared and tested... but you're always the authority on it. You've played it and thought about it more than anyone else.

Until one day... maybe during testing, or maybe after release... someone else is better at playing your baby than you are! How dare they? It was just a fluke, let's play again. Ok, you got lucky, I was just messing around, let's play for real. Wait, you're actually better than me!
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This is a fun question.

So, I should say first that I don't think I'm ever the best at my games, even during playtesting. I'm the type of gamer who likes to try various paths to victory, even if I see something obvious and easy--I want to try win differently. That's quite helpful during playtesting (just as it's helpful to have lots of playtesters with different motives and play styles), as it helps us see if there are different ways to win our games.

That said, I'm pretty good at Viticulture (I usually take it as a direct challenge when I see someone trying to win without making any wine) and my record with Scythe so far is solid. I like to win, but when people play my games (or any game, really), I just want everyone to have a good time.
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As a father, I imagine it's similar to how I'll feel when one of my daughters likes some other guy more than she likes me.

I really enjoy exploring different paths as well, and this definitely hurts my chances of winning with most efficiency-heavy games. I really like the way stars and popularity work in Scythe, because it at least *feels* like you have multiple good options for winning. I won my last game with two stars! (Unlike Terra Mystica often feels.)
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I expect the Agricola world champion would mop the floor with Uwe Rosenberg, too.
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jameystegmaier wrote:
I usually take it as a direct challenge when I see someone trying to win without making any wine
I take it as a direct challenge when someone tries to win without out drinking any wine.
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jameystegmaier wrote:
I like to win, but when people play my games (or any game, really), I just want everyone to have a good time.


Very much my attitude. If I enjoy a session playing a game, regardless of who "won", if I enjoyed it I am a winner. If I "win", I like to know everyone else had fun for the win to really matter.

At the end of the day, I play games to have fun and that's far more important than who the rules say "won"
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Ehrine wrote:
jameystegmaier wrote:
I like to win, but when people play my games (or any game, really), I just want everyone to have a good time.


Very much my attitude. If I enjoy a session playing a game, regardless of who "won", if I enjoyed it I am a winner. If I "win", I like to know everyone else had fun for the win to really matter.

At the end of the day, I play games to have fun and that's far more important than who the rules say "won"


Spoken like a true los.....errrr...I mean gentleman. Spoken like a true gentleman! whistle
 
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jameystegmaier wrote:
This is a fun question.

So, I should say first that I don't think I'm ever the best at my games, even during playtesting. I'm the type of gamer who likes to try various paths to victory, even if I see something obvious and easy--I want to try win differently. That's quite helpful during playtesting (just as it's helpful to have lots of playtesters with different motives and play styles), as it helps us see if there are different ways to win our games.

That said, I'm pretty good at Viticulture (I usually take it as a direct challenge when I see someone trying to win without making any wine)


Don't think either me or my husband have done that. Though I think we've had alternate uses for our wine a few times now; If you can get the Penthouse out and have the means of getting a Level 7 Sparkling wine made each year it's just so much more reliable than fulfilling wine orders, for an obvious example.
 
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intently wrote:
As a father, I imagine it's similar to how I'll feel when one of my daughters likes some other guy more than she likes memakes more money at her job than me.
(is a less demeaning way to put it)
 
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Calinor wrote:
jameystegmaier wrote:
I usually take it as a direct challenge when I see someone trying to win without making any wine
I take it as a direct challenge when someone tries to win without out drinking any wine.


Were you drinking when you wrote that?
 
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