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Everything's absolutely great with it!!

What game to buy next?

(there's 4 of us)

 
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Re: Struggle of Empires is just great! What's next?
What about Britannia! Great game about the same lenght and perfect with four. Friedrich is another great game. Not to complicated.
 
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Re: Struggle of Empires is just great! What's next?
What about Britannia! Great game about the same lenght and perfect with four. Friedrich is another great game. Not to complicated.[/q]

These are good ideas. Consider also:

Italia - Good for 3 or 4 players - similar to Britannia.

Warrior Knights - Good for 3 to 6 players.


 
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Re: Struggle of Empires is just great! What's next?
Conquest of the Empire

Only problem: might be _too_ similar to SoE.
 
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Re: Struggle of Empires is just great! What's next?
How about another Wallace?

If you can snag a copy, "Princes Of The Renaissance" has enough similarities with SoE to glean the same qualities, but enough differences to make it a totally different experience.
 
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Re: Struggle of Empires is just great! What's next?
I hear Perikles is good.
 
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Re: Struggle of Empires is just great! What's next?
Hard alliances: Dune

Soft alliances: A Game of Thrones
 
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Re: Struggle of Empires is just great! What's next?
bookgnome wrote:
I hear Perikles is good.


It is, once you get past the inscrutable rules.
 
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Only played Perkiles once but it was a jolly good game.

 
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I just played Imperial for the first time, and it was great with four.
 
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Scott Firestone IV wrote:
bookgnome wrote:
I hear Perikles is good.


It is, once you get past the inscrutable rules.


If inscrutable means 'makes your head hurt they are so difficult to get your head around' then I agree completely

The game isn't that difficult but the rules sure make it look like it...
 
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Perikles
 
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Re: Struggle of Empires is just great! What's next?
Well it sounds like your group likes fairly interactive and reasonably heavy games so here's a list of games I'd recommend checking out...

Twilight Imperium 3rd Edition
Age of Steam
Civilization
Dune
Game of Thrones, A
Friedrich
Princes of the Renaissance
Tigris & Euphrates
Imperial
Wallenstein/Shogun
Puerto Rico
Liberté
Antike
El Grande
Power Grid
La Città


These aren't all the same style as SoE but they all have a lot of "game" in them and would at least be good considerations. I'm assuming you don't have many different games yet as there isn't much in your profile to give us some further clues to give better advice.
 
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In the 4 games I've had Imperial is OK to good with three but great with five.
 
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Re: Struggle of Empires is just great! What's next?
You may enjoy Kingmaker if you want to try an old school game.
Also you can not go wrong with dune but it needs 6 people.

TI3 with shattered Empires is great. By itself it is a little lacking.
Other wallace games don't quite scratch the same itch.

Warrior Knights looks good but I have not played it yet.

Keep your eye on Samurai Lords (MMP) due out later this year.

-M

 
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Re: Struggle of Empires is just great! What's next?
Other Wallace games I can recommend:

Perikles
Liberte

As previously mentioned, his rule books have a style of their own - almost the 'anti-Avalon Hill'

Old school AH rulebooks (we'll ignore Hasbro for this purpose) read like a lawyer had decided to numerically list all the special cases that may occur during play without giving an overall view of the game:
"1.1.2.4 If in enemy ZOC may not move directly to ZOC of another enemy unit
1.1.2.4.1 If in enemy ZOC may move directly to ZOC of another enemy unit if that unit is engaged by friendly non-armour unit with attack strength of 3 or more
1.2.2.4.1.1 If .... etc"
Aahhh, the good old days...

Wallace takes the opposite approach. His rules read well as conversational English, but key points are often buried in the middle of paragraphs, or can be read more than one way depending on how you interpret the English (is this point an addendum to the previous point, and therefore only relevant if the previous point applies, or a new independent point altogether?)

Just goes to show that rules writing for games of any complexity is an artform in itself.

Anyway, rules rant over, I'd also recommend:

Friedrich
Shogun (new release, although the old Samurai Swords would work well too)
Antike
Civilization (works with 4, probably better with 5 or 6)
Kremlin
Vinci
Britannia
Successors

All of these games are of a similar complexity to SoE and suit 4 players well. Some play long (Civ, Britannia), not all are in print (Civ, Liberte, Samurai Swords, Kremlin, Successors).

Enjoy!


 
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Wow, thanks for the answers..

I'll dig into Friedrich & Brittania I guess.

But I saw Civilization mentioned..

I actually have a copy of it. But is Civilization good enough with 4 players only to give it a try?

As good as SOE?
 
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Wow, thanks for the answers..

I'll dig into Friedrich & Brittania I guess.

But I saw Civilization mentioned..

I actually have a copy of it. But is Civilization good enough with 4 players only to give it a try?

As good as SOE?

Yes and yes
 
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Conquest of the Empire

Only problem: might be _too_ similar to SoE.


That's not the problem. The problem is that it does in 5-6 hours what SoE does better in every way in 2-3. I used to think CotE2 could be a viable Wallace alternative. Not anymore.

I fourth Perikles and PotR.

 
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And what if some deeper political/historical experience is needed?

Where to go?

Revolution: The Dutch Revolt 1568-1648 looks promising, but the words "somewhat flawed design" (or like) in the scare me off.

 
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ZzBOG wrote:
And what if some deeper political/historical experience is needed?

Where to go?

Revolution: The Dutch Revolt 1568-1648 looks promising, but the words "somewhat flawed design" (or like) in the scare me off.



RR is good, but dry and deep. I've only played once and need to play again to "get it." However, if you're going to go there, and you have six players, then Here I Stand is just waiting for some love. One play only, but I can't laud the game enough.
 
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what parts of SOE did you like?
PoTR is his best game thus far in the same genre,
but Age of Steam is his best game design on the geek, but doesn't play at all like SoE.
I'm not sure, but I believe Byzantium should be mentioned. Has its own spark compared to SoE, but some similarities, like most Wallace designs, which is why they are all liked by the same people. Stay away from Tempus as it is not much like his "norm" as of late.

Byzantium and Perikles might be the easiest to find of his many designs unless you hit ebay and pay some bucks.

ps Imperial is a major hit in my group,and they love SoE.
 
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