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Bryce K. Nielsen
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This one is wracking my brains. The rules state:

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Adjacent
** Two spaces are adjacent if they share a border, a door, an
impassable border, or a wall.

** Two rooms are adjacent if they share a border, a door, an
impassable border, or a wall.

**A door is adjacent to each space for which it is a space edge.


I'm trying to figure out why they included "walls" in the adjacency rules. It's like now they have to include all these exceptions, and when they don't, it makes for not-so-intuitive rules. For example, they had to add into the Range rules, "Range cannot be counted through walls or doors unless an effect specifically allows it." But the didn't include it in the Darkness rules, "Investigators ignore Darkness in a space containing a Light Source or Fire or a space adjacent to a space containing a Light Source or Fire." So technically, this means an Investigator with a Light Source on the other side of a wall will allow an Investigator to ignore the darkness? Seems a bit odd.

Anyone know why the spaces separated by walls are considered adjacent?

-shnar
 
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Walls block movement, effects (like light sources), and range. Doors block range only.

Some monsters, like Ghosts, can move through walls. If spaces on the opposite sides of a wall were not adjacent, they could not do this.
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Yes, that does seem odd. It leads to some odd things, such as this rule from the Darkness section:

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Investigators ignore Darkness in a space containing a Light Source or
Fire or a space adjacent to a space containing a Light Source or Fire.

So light goes through walls?
 
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No. Light goes through doors, but not walls.
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Wish they had mentioned that in either the Darkness rules or the Adjacency rules. I found this little nugget in the Wall rules:

"Effects that affect adjacent spaces cannot affect spaces through walls unless an effect specifically allows it."

That's what's keeping the Light from going through the wall to stop the Darkness. Just an odd place to put it in the rulebook piece it all together...

-shnar
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shnar wrote:
Wish they had mentioned that in either the Darkness rules or the Adjacency rules. I found this little nugget in the Wall rules:

"Effects that affect adjacent spaces cannot affect spaces through walls unless an effect specifically allows it."

That's what's keeping the Light from going through the wall to stop the Darkness. Just an odd place to put it in the rulebook piece it all together...

-shnar


Aha! Well, it makes sense - just a bit awkward to find.
 
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shnar wrote:
Wish they had mentioned that in either the Darkness rules or the Adjacency rules. I found this little nugget in the Wall rules:

"Effects that affect adjacent spaces cannot affect spaces through walls unless an effect specifically allows it."

That's what's keeping the Light from going through the wall to stop the Darkness. Just an odd place to put it in the rulebook piece it all together...

-shnar


Exactly right. The relevant rules are in the Doors and Walls sections, as you pointed out.
 
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Thank you! I now rest easy knowing those adjacent attacks CAN'T go through walls... Whew!

This goes for fire as well, I think. I suppose that one would be more understandable, but maybe those mansion walls are thick...
 
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oldschoolgamr wrote:
Thank you! I now rest easy knowing those adjacent attacks CAN'T go through walls... Whew!

This goes for fire as well, I think. I suppose that one would be more understandable, but maybe those mansion walls are thick...


You're very welcome.

Right again. Fire can spread through Doors and Secret Passages but not Walls.
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jlhorner1974 wrote:
oldschoolgamr wrote:
Thank you! I now rest easy knowing those adjacent attacks CAN'T go through walls... Whew!

This goes for fire as well, I think. I suppose that one would be more understandable, but maybe those mansion walls are thick...


You're very welcome.

Right again. Fire can spread through Doors and Secret Passages but not Walls.


Has also thematic sense, if walls are made of stone or bricks, it's difficult for the fire to pass (ok, visions of a wargame called "Walls in Flames" passing through my mind. Time to hit the sack. Jason, keep an eye on the mansions, ehm, the forums for me as well)
 
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Scarlet Witch wrote:
jlhorner1974 wrote:
oldschoolgamr wrote:
Thank you! I now rest easy knowing those adjacent attacks CAN'T go through walls... Whew!

This goes for fire as well, I think. I suppose that one would be more understandable, but maybe those mansion walls are thick...


You're very welcome.

Right again. Fire can spread through Doors and Secret Passages but not Walls.


Has also thematic sense, if walls are made of stone or bricks, it's difficult for the fire to pass (ok, visions of a wargame called "Walls in Flames" passing through my mind. Time to hit the sack. Jason, keep an eye on the mansions, ehm, the forums for me as well)


Yes, maam
 
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