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Chris
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Shows he can compromise and can play politics. He disagree with Ryan but he agrees more than he disagrees.

Trump withheld his endorsement of Ryan who did not endorse him immediately. Despite what some may think, Trump is showing he can play the game. He is a smart guy, not a lunatic but someone who just runs his mouth.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/05/politics/donald-trump-endorse-...)
 
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I thought he handled this in a way that's very consistent with his general approach to relationships -- tit for tat. Trump has a strong belief that if someone gets you you need to get them back, because the world sees it and knows that they're better off staying on your good side.

Ryan very publicly withheld his endorsement of Trump. Trump returned the favor and made it clear what he was doing by using Ryan's exact words. Some people took it as Trump being petty or thin-skinned but this is a core point of his publicly-stated strategy to dealing with people. It would have been very surprising if he'd taken the public embarrassment of Ryan holding off on endorsing him without some payback.
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I do wonder if a Trump endorsement even benefits Ryan at this point.
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Better late than never.... right?

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Why would Ryan care one way or the other? His primary opponent looks like Trump Lite, and Ryan is expected to win with around 80% of the vote. For the general, I'm not at all sure Trump's endorsement will be a positive. Regardless, Ryan has been serving since 1999, and the district is rated Safe Republican. Ryan should coast to victory.

 
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galad2003 wrote:
Shows he can compromise and can play politics. He disagree with Ryan but he agrees more than he disagrees.

Trump withheld his endorsement of Ryan who did not endorse him immediately. Despite what some may think, Trump is showing he can play the game. He is a smart guy, not a lunatic but someone who just runs his mouth.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/05/politics/donald-trump-endorse-...)


He had to be publicly dragged to do something that any rational person would have done without a second thought. He picked a fight with one of the most popular GOP politicians in a swing state that he needs for re election. Wasting time that he does not have to try and bully someone whose full support he desperately needs.

That is nobody's idea of a "smart" move
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Kumitedad wrote:
galad2003 wrote:
Shows he can compromise and can play politics. He disagree with Ryan but he agrees more than he disagrees.

Trump withheld his endorsement of Ryan who did not endorse him immediately. Despite what some may think, Trump is showing he can play the game. He is a smart guy, not a lunatic but someone who just runs his mouth.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/05/politics/donald-trump-endorse-...)


He had to be publicly dragged to do something that any rational person would have done without a second thought. He picked a fight with one of the most popular GOP politicians in a swing state that he needs for re election. Wasting time that he does not have to try and bully someone whose full support he desperately needs.

That is nobody's idea of a "smart" move


I would argue that it's "smart" within the confines of the campaign Trump is running, which is to say, it's "smart" if you're on a reality TV show.

Trump made an ass of himself not endorsing Ryan. People talked about the fact that he wasn't endorsing Ryan. Then, only when the story was more or less played out (and Ryan had endorsed him), Trump "came around" and "compromised" and endorsed him.

Now we're talking about how he did a thing he should have done in the first place, a think literally any other politician running for president as a Repubublican would have done, and how it now shows that he's "playing politics". It's sort of like a baseball announcer being wowed when the pitcher actually swings at the ball during his turn at bat. It's a no-brainer, a nothing, but Trump got some attention for doing it.

Will this help him win? No. Nothing's going to do that. But in Trump-land, where hits and Twitter followers and the 24-hour news cycle is more important than winning an election, it counts as "smart".
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Start the onslaught of Bernie memes converted to mock Trump instead.
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bjlillo wrote:
SPIGuy wrote:
Regardless, Ryan has been serving since 1999, and the district is rated Safe Republican. Ryan should coast to victory.



It's an open primary with nothing on the ballot for Democrats. Neelan needs Dems + the few Trumpkins there are in the area to pull off an upset and he has been begging Democrats to come out and vote for him. Unfortunately for Neelan, he has run a dishonest, nasty campaign and has been exposed for the schmuck he is by local media.


Agreed. The only reason it has been in the news at all is because of the high profile people who have made statements in support of Ryan's opponent (such as Palin and Coulter).

If Trump hadn't really wanted to endorse Ryan, he should have just kept his mouth shut about it instead of talking about it.

I wouldn't be worried too much about cross-over voting as primaries tend to be less well attended by democrats, and that's even when they have candidates on the ballot! Sure, it could make a change, but the Republican support is overwhelmingly with Ryan and the district is much more Republican than Democrat.
 
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bjlillo wrote:
Ryan is probably going to win 80-20 regardless of Trump's position. Trump probably didn't want to look weak.


Agreed...which is why he endorsed him and, I think, why he held off. In Trump's calculus, endorsing Ryan with no hesitation would have seemed weak, given how publicly Ryan made Trump wait.
 
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GameCrossing wrote:
Better late than never.... right?


Off topic, I know, but what the hell does that "Gain Zero Rest Cubes" headline mean???
 
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galad2003 wrote:
Shows he can compromise and can play politics. He disagree with Ryan but he agrees more than he disagrees.

Trump withheld his endorsement of Ryan who did not endorse him immediately. Despite what some may think, Trump is showing he can play the game. He is a smart guy, not a lunatic but someone who just runs his mouth.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/05/politics/donald-trump-endorse-...)



At last!

Not endorsing Ryan was a dick move on his part, and hopefully the "talking to" he got over the weekend took. We'll see.

They're one party; they should support WHOEVER the nominee is in whatever race is relevant.


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Ferretman wrote:
They're one party; they should support WHOEVER the nominee is in whatever race is relevant.


Ferret


Why? If the wrong man got nominated for the job, the wrong man got nominated for the job. Supporting someone just because they are "your guy," even when the absolutely aren't, seems stupid to me.
 
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remorseless1 wrote:
GameCrossing wrote:
Better late than never.... right?


Off topic, I know, but what the hell does that "Gain Zero Rest Cubes" headline mean???


It's from one of my top 3 games -- 1960: The Making of the President.

Every card has a certain amount of "rest cubes" that are put into a bag to determine a basic initiative check, among other things. There's an inverse relationship between the power of a card and the number of rest cubes it has attached to it. As this particular card is worth a comparatively high 4CP on its own, and is a comparatively rare prevention event if not used for the CP, it's a pretty powerful card for the Republican player. It's also worth checks in PA at endgame, so it's a powerful card all round.
 
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AndrewRogue wrote:
Ferretman wrote:
They're one party; they should support WHOEVER the nominee is in whatever race is relevant.


Ferret


Why? If the wrong man got nominated for the job, the wrong man got nominated for the job. Supporting someone just because they are "your guy," even when the absolutely aren't, seems stupid to me.


If somebody joins a party it's because they believe in the goals and ideals of that party. If the party has back Person X and Person Y doesn't at least endorse him, that's not playing by the rules -- you get the backing of the party in part by supporting their candidates.

Trump is a rules breaker, to be true, and there's much be be admired there. However since he chose to run as a Republican he has obligations regardless of how he might feel about them personally. Same with the Hildabeast.


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Ferretman wrote:
If somebody joins a party it's because they believe in the goals and ideals of that party. If the party has back Person X and Person Y doesn't at least endorse him, that's not playing by the rules -- you get the backing of the party in part by supporting their candidates.

Trump is a rules breaker, to be true, and there's much be be admired there. However since he chose to run as a Republican he has obligations regardless of how he might feel about them personally. Same with the Hildabeast.

Ferret


*nods* Out of curiosity, does your view go both ways? E.G. the party should unilaterally support Trump despite the potential to view him as an interloper (i.e. somebody who has just jumped on the bandwagon rather than being an actual member of their party)?

I certainly understand the practical reason for endorsement, but I do appreciate honesty and spines sometimes. Parties being so lockstep, while logical, is simultaneously very troubling.
 
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