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Hi,

As I read in differents topics some Factions / Some Player mat / the Starting position, etc... should unbalanced the game. I'd like to know if it's right or wrong.

So I create a "poll" where players who want to participate are welcome.

The first part is about # of players / Factions played / Player mat played / Stars and Popularity for the winners

The second part is about Factories / Total points / Automa / Time lenght

Important :

1 - If Jamey wants I'll cancelled it
2 - I don't know who is voting. That's nameless
3 - You can vote for every games you played.
4 - After you vote, the all-time results appear, but if it works well, I'll give the results on this topic regulary.

The questions are :

- Part 1 -

1 - How many players ?
2 - Which Factions ?
3 - Which Factions won ?
4 - Which Player mat ?
5 - Which Player mat won ?
6 - Which seat for the winner ?
7 - How many stars for the winner ?
8 - How much popularity for the winner ?

- Part 2 -
9 - Is the winner control Factory ?
10 - Which Factories ?
11 - Which Factory won ?
12 - How many points for the winner ?
13 - Margin Victory ?
14 - Which Version of Automa (and result)
15 - Time Lenght

Here are the links :

Part 1 : https://fr.surveymonkey.com/r/K9SCMKB
Part 2 : https://fr.surveymonkey.com/r/3GHR83W

As I wish more accurate stats, I create 2 more polls :

1 - Factions only
2 - Player Mats only

The idea is to see if Factions / Player mats have differents results regarding how many players are in the game.

Another idea is to have REAL score. Now it's possible to write the real score of each Faction / Player mats

I'm sorry, but I have to create 2 polls, because I'm not able to ask more than 10 questions a poll....

Factions : https://fr.surveymonkey.com/r/N638JMP

Player Mats : https://fr.surveymonkey.com/r/3D8F29G



PS : Sorry for my English... whistle
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Re: Poll : Some game stats
Fabrice,

Thank you for pulling this together ~ I'm actually doing the same thing for another game. It's wonderful that you're also displaying the graphs and charts, as well.

Merci!

Cheers,
Joe

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I would answer it, but the ability gap between the players in the games I played is just too big to make my data useful.

The winner and runner up would be the same no matter what combination they played.
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Fabrice: I appreciate your consideration (for the first point), but I wouldn't do such a thing--I'm just as curious as you to see the data!
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How difficult would it be to include a skill range for each mat/faction?

So we can rate each player 1-10 based upon how experienced/skilled they are in the game. That way we can also judge wins based upon relative experience levels.

 
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Skills are relative. If I can collect enough games, I don't think skills will pervert the results. And, actually it's more for fun !

Now, it's probaly possible to create something else more accurate. But I can't ask more than 10 questions in once with Survey. So I have to create 2 polls and I don't want to complicate to more.

Let's see this one !
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Interesting...sure it's a small sample size, but 40% of winners came from 3rd seat. Wonder what the possible significance of that could be. I know that out of my 5 games three have been won by the 3rd seat.
 
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I'm going to include a link to this in Tuesday/Wednesday's project update, so hopefully the stats will grow.
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I went to enter info from the two games I've played, but got stuck on the faction list. No idea what all these are. I know Red, Black, Blue, White and Yellow.
 
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Red = Rusviet
Blue = Nordic
Black = Saxon
Yellow = Crimean
White = Polania
 
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Re: Poll : Some game stats
So far, 50 votes for thé part 1, and strangely only 31 on part 2 !

First results

Number of players. 7 automa games and a repartition very close for games from 2 to 5 players (10 to 12 games each)

Factions : All factions were played from 30 to 34 games.

Winning Faction : First significative answer. All the factions win from 10 to 12 games.... but the Rusviet with only 5 Victories ! To confirm.

Player mats : From 26 (Patriotic) to 32 games each.

Winning Player Mat : Interesting. Agricultural win 14 games (30 %). The second is Mechanical with 12 (26%). Patriotic win only 5 games for 11%. The first question I think about. Is Agricultural is better than Patriotic or is Agricultural (Mat #5) benefit the fact it has better start bonus but not automatically the last seat !? Mechanical is player Mat #4.

Seat number : Seat number 1 and 2 won moRe than 50 % of the game. But not all the games have 5 players. In 5 players games, seat 1 and 2 won once each. Seat 3 and 5 have 2 victories. Seat 4 has 3 victories.

Stars : in 65% of the games, winner has 6 stars. Only 12 % of victories for a player with less than 5 stars.

Popularity : so far, most victories for players with 7-12 pop than with 13+. 45 % vs 39%. I found Interesting 16% of the game were won by players with 6 or less in popularity !

Factory control. It's about 50% between have the control or not for the winner.

Factories : too much factories and not enough games for have an Interesting result.

Points : very good repartition, and 20% of games finish with a 100+ points ! 1 win with 50-54 pts !

Margin : it's seems so far big difference are still existing. 36% of the game finish with more than 20 points margin victories.

Automa : only 4 games, and all with Autometa. It seems I'm the only one to have loose ! whistle

Length time : 85% of the game are finish within 180 mn.

I hope for new games for have more accurate results !
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79 votes so far. Keep continuing to enter your games for have a look of the balancing of the game.

I'll give some other results after 100 votes !
 
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I'm part of the disparity on entries between part 1 and 2. Stuff on the first poll was easy to remember. I got to the second and saw I'd need to open the box back up and try to figure out which factory cards we had used.

Got on after tonight's game, was still fresh enough to find the factory cards, so entered on both polls.
 
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Scott, you don't have to answer all the questions !
In part 2, you also have question like :

- Is the winner control the factory ?
- Points for the winner ?
- Margin ?
- Which Automa version did you play with ? (and if you win or lose)
- Game lenght ?

It's not necessary to answer everything. More answers, more accurate the analyze shhould be !
 
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I don't have yet 100 answers but as the number of vote decrease, here are the results and some of MY analyze.

1 - How many players ? 89 answers

Automa Games : 10
2 P Games : 14
3 P Games : 23
4 P Games : 22
5 P Games : 20

2 - Factions in game ? 89 answers

Crimean : 69
Nordic : 55
Polania : 60
Rusviet : 63
Saxon : 55

3 - Which Faction won ? 89 answers

Crimean : 25 - 28.09 % of total games
Nordic : 16 - 17.98 %
Polania : 18 - 20.22 %
Rusviet : 14 - 15.73 %
Saxon : 16 - 17.98 %

But, if I calcul winning % of factions for games where the factions are in, I have this :

1 - Crimean : 36.23 % - Crimean won in more than 1/3 games where the faction played.
2 - Polania : 30.00 %
3 - Nordic : 29.09 %
3 - Saxon : 29.09 %
5 - Rusviet : 22.22 %

So far, the Rusviet seems the weakest faction. To confirm.


4 - Player mat in game ? 82 answers

Industrial # 1 : 50
Engineering # 2 : 55
Patriotic # 3 : 49
Mechanical # 4 : 55
Agricultural # 5 : 58

5- Which Player mat won ? 78 answers out of 82 for Q4

Industrial # 1 : 11
Engineering # 2 : 17
Patriotic # 3 : 17
Mechanical # 4 : 16
Agricultural # 5 : 17

As with Faction, here is the results of winning pourcentage of each player mat.

1 - Patriotic # 3 : 34.69 %
2 - Engineering # 2 : 30.91 %
3 - Agricultural # 5 : 29.61 %
4 - Mechanical # 4 : 29.09 %
5 - Industrial # 1 : 22.00 %

As with the Faction, 1 seems to dominate (Patriotic) and 1 seems behind (Industrial). To confirm once more.

So far, even if some difference can appear between factions and Player Mat, I think the results show so far, it's seems balanced. That's my point... after 89 votes !
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6 - Which seat for the winner ?

This question is not good because seat 1 and 2 are always taken. When you looked about Player Mat, we can see Industrial is the last 1. So seat #1 is not an automatic victory. Even if seat #1 doesn't mean Industrial Player mat.

In 20 games with 5 players, 3 times the 5 seat won. Around 15 %. I'll try to analyze this one seat by seat later.

7 - How many stars for the winner ? (87 answers)

1 - 6 stars - 70.11 %

2 - 5 stars - 18.39 %
3 - 4 stars - 10.34 %
4 - 3 stars - 1.15 % (one of my game... but I loose with 5 stars !)
2 stars or less : 0%

This question, CLEARLY, reveal that for win, 6 stars is a main goal ! At least 5. Not really a surprise. And even if it's possible to win without 6 stars, it's a good idea to try to put our 6 stars on the board !

8 - Popularity ? (87 answers)

13+ - 32.18 %
7-12 - 48.28 %
0-6 - 19.54 %

That's a surprise for me. Have 13+ in popularity is not a main goal. Around 50% of the games are winning with a 7-12 popularity. Interesting.

9 - Is the Winner control the Factory ? (58 answers)

Yes - 55.17 %
No - 44.83 %

Yesterday night (french time), it was a perfect 50-50. So, it seems it's not significative to have the Factory in the end of the game. Despite Factory count 3 territories.

10 & 11 - About Factories ? (in game, and which one won) I have only 19 and 17 answers. So it's very hard to have a accurate analyze. However, I found a interesting thing

Factory # 9 has been choosen 6 times meanwhile Factories #1,2 and 5 hadn't been choosen yet.
Factory # 9 won 3 times !

Factory # 9 is : PAY 2 COINS and have 1 UPGRADE and 1 POP

Factory # 1 is : PAY 1 COIN and 1 COMBAT CARD for 2 HEX PRODUCTION
Factory # 2 is : PAY 1 POP for 1 ENLIST or 1 UPGRADE
Factory # 5 is : PAY 1 MILITARY point for 2 POP



12 - How Many points for the winner ? (56 answers)

In orders :

1 - 100 + & 65-69 - 16.07 %

3 - 70-74 - 12.50 %
4 - 80-84 - 10.71 %
5 - 75-79 - 8.93 %
6 - 90-94 - 7.14 %
7 - 95-99 & 85-89 & 60-64 & 50-54 - 5.36 %
11 - 55-59 & less than 50 - 3.57 %

What you learned from it ?

1 - All the winning scores seems possible. That's great.
2 - Even in 100+ lead with 9 times so far, in 48.21 % of the case, the winner have from 65 to 84 points.
3 - So winning with less than 50 pts is possible !

13 - Margin ? (56 answers)

Tie : 3.57 %
1-5 : 21.43 %
6-10 : 23.21 %
11-15 : 12.50 %
16-20 : 7.14 %
21+ : 32.14 %

So far the games are close... or not !

14 - Automa ? (Unfortunately only 8 answers)

6 times players choose Autometa (surely for learn the game, as I did). 4-2 vs the Autometa
2 times vs Automa. Only loose...

I think we can find a good challenge here !

15 - Time Lenght ? (52 answers)

It seems it's very close to the time on the box.

- less than 115 : 15.38 %
- 115 to 150 : 51.92 %
- 151 to 180 : 21.15 %
- 181 to 210 : 5.77 %
- 211 + : 5.77 %

I'll wait a significative number of vote for have a new analyze now !

Thx to all who participate.
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Very interesting. Thank you for doing this.
 
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srhall79 wrote:
I'm part of the disparity on entries between part 1 and 2. Stuff on the first poll was easy to remember. I got to the second and saw I'd need to open the box back up and try to figure out which factory cards we had used.

Got on after tonight's game, was still fresh enough to find the factory cards, so entered on both polls.

Hopefully these images can help: (click to go to file page)
Faction boards and player mats:

Factory cards:



I'm surprised no one has taken factory #5 too, that seems like a good way to shoot up the pop track.
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Which Seat for the winner ?

2 P games :

Seat 1 : 7 W
Seat 2 : 6 W
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Seat 3 : 1 W shake

3 P games :

Seat 1 : 5 W
Seat 2 : 8 W
Seat 3 : 7 W

4 P games :

Seat 1 : 3 W
Seat 2 : 8 W
Seat 3 : 5 W
Seat 4 : 5 W

5 P games :

Seat 1 : 5 W
Seat 2 : 3 W
Seat 3 : 4 W
Seat 4 : 4 W
Seat 5 : 3 W

Balanced so far !
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Awesome job compiling this!
 
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Wow! I'm amazed at how balanced everything is coming out. I know the game was play tested a ton, but even so, it's cool to see.

Thanks for putting this together!
 
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Thanks for this. I added our group's 2 games to the poll.

What I'm most curious about if enough votes are eventually tallied is if there is a particularly strong/weak faction/player mat combo.
 
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The links for the last two polls are the same. Both go to the Factions poll.
 
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DyingTickles wrote:
The links for the last two polls are the same. Both go to the Factions poll.


Oups... Corrected.
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demainlesdauphins wrote:
DyingTickles wrote:
The links for the last two polls are the same. Both go to the Factions poll.


Oups... Corrected.


Great work, thanks! I put this page in my Quickbar so I can come back for each game of Scythe I play.
 
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I'll be contributing to your polls. I added my last ten games. Mostly Automa plays, but data none the less.

How long before the results are updated in the poll? I entered 7 Automa plays and it still shows 10 total Automa plays in the first poll.

Unfortunately I didn't keep much data on the first 8 plays so I wasn't able to answer the other polls. I will do so on future plays. I'll be playing much more Automa in the future.

Seems like there is a significant disadvantage to being the 5th seat and even the 4th a little based on the current data
 
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