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In the rulebook, the solo variant is described as "Solo variant for Corporate Era". Does that mean I must include the Corporate Era (CE) project cards in my project deck when playing solo? I thought the CE cards do not directly affect the global parameters, so including them would mean drawing more cards that make it harder to win the solo game, seeing as you have limited generations to raise all global parameters to their maximum level.

Please clarify if the intent of the solo game is to include all CE project cards in the project deck (and have available the two CE Corporation cards).
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mvettemagred wrote:
In the rulebook, the solo variant is described as "Solo variant for Corporate Era". Does that mean I must include the Corporate Era (CE) project cards in my project deck when playing solo? I thought the CE cards do not directly affect the global parameters, so including them would mean drawing more cards that make it harder to win the solo game, seeing as you have limited generations to raise all global parameters to their maximum level.

Please clarify if the intent of the solo game is to include all CE project cards in the project deck (and have available the two CE Corporation cards).


Yes, the CE cards (including corps) should be added in the solo version.

The solo game is balanced with the CE cards for two reasons. First, we wanted a varied experience with all the possibilities that comes with the full game (CE). I'd say that without CE, you're missing out on a lot of cool stuff. Second, CE allows you to follow different strategies, including economy of different sorts, and even multiple ways to gain VPs if you are already sure to reach the goal.

I think the solo game may actually be harder without the CE cards, since the 14 generations is a long time and you need to get production up early in order to succeed. CE has a lot of economy.

Cheers!
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Fryxen wrote:
mvettemagred wrote:
In the rulebook, the solo variant is described as "Solo variant for Corporate Era". Does that mean I must include the Corporate Era (CE) project cards in my project deck when playing solo? I thought the CE cards do not directly affect the global parameters, so including them would mean drawing more cards that make it harder to win the solo game, seeing as you have limited generations to raise all global parameters to their maximum level.

Please clarify if the intent of the solo game is to include all CE project cards in the project deck (and have available the two CE Corporation cards).


Yes, the CE cards (including corps) should be added in the solo version.

The solo game is balanced with the CE cards for two reasons. First, we wanted a varied experience with all the possibilities that comes with the full game (CE). I'd say that without CE, you're missing out on a lot of cool stuff. Second, CE allows you to follow different strategies, including economy of different sorts, and even multiple ways to gain VPs if you are already sure to reach the goal.

I think the solo game may actually be harder without the CE cards, since the 14 generations is a long time and you need to get production up early in order to succeed. CE has a lot of economy.

Cheers!


Gotcha. Thanks for the response. And thanks to Matt for the original question. I've tried solo twice without the Corporate Era cards and gotten smacked. Ha, ha. Still fun. Looking forward to trying it with the full mix next time.
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Maybe this will help me. I was trying to learn the game, and set it up as recommended for the first game. When I saw that solo starts with zero production on anything, I was worried, and I am now halfway through the game, my production has barely moved at all, and Mars isn't terraformed really at all.

I wish I had been able to demo this at GenCon. They were always so busy, and just starting a demo when I stopped by, but I did not expect to sit down with the game and feel as if I could accomplish nothing. I hope those extra cards will help out.
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Yeah, the game is very different when including all of the cards and real corporations. After struggling, and losing, twice with the basic setup, I succeeded on the final round with everything in play. When it was done, I ended up using 8 of the CE cards, 17 of the basic, and winning with a score of 83.

There was definitely more variety in what I could do, and the progression of my income worked better. I barely had anything happening by Round 7, but by Round 10 I was clicking. It was a close call, but I felt much better about this playthrough than the others.
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I won a game with 85 points without using the CE cards. It seems the solo game is designed to have a slow ramp up in terraforming, with most of the progress coming in the last 5-7 generations.

I'm at generation 10 in my first game including the CE cards, and while some of my production has ramped up more quickly, and I'm doing well on oceans and oxygen, the temperature is still really low. When I finish the game I'll post back here tonight with the results.
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Playing using the recommended Corporate Era setup and after 3 consecutive defeats, I finally managed a victory (this time with the Mining Guild), achieving a score of 78 points.

The key was getting a good engine going as soon as possible. I had science cards working together that were bumping oxygen and temperature up a level each turn.

Didn't need to place as many greenery tiles as I usually do (this sacrificed some VP's, however). Not a single city was born (other than the two random ones to start play), which cut potential VP's as well.

Energy production skyrocketed which led to increased heat and temperature bumps. It really pays to construct some power plants ($11 standard project) when getting started.

On the last turn I had enough money to purchase the parameter increases I needed, and Mars was successfully terraformed.

A very satisfying solo experience...

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Another solo effort (this time with ThorGate) and I came up 1 heat(!) short of raising the last temperature step for the win on Generation 14. What a nail-biter of a session!

This game is fantastic, I am having so much fun.
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I am trying to win the solo game with all corporations. Are you up for the challenge? I just started. 2 sessions yet, 1 win. I have done this before, but only with a prototype expansion which adds a few rules, so I feel it doesn't count. Maybe I should start a solo challenge thread...
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Lord_Aethan wrote:
I am trying to win the solo game with all corporations.


I'm 6 solo plays in (each with a different corporation), 2 wins (Mining Guild and United Nations Mars Initiative) so far.

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You guys are killing me! The pre-order is coming soon right?! RIGHT!?

Keep having fun, and I will keep living vicariously.
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Around 10 days 04 hours 55 minutes until I get my copy. *fingers crossed*
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I'm afraid I'm still confused on a few things tegarding Solo Play:

1. It says that players start with no extra production. Does this mean all production levels are at 0, or does it mean that regardless of corporation, production levels all start at 1?

2. Someone mentioned elsewhere that in solo play, players take as many actions as they have resources for. Are solo players intended to still only take 1-2 actions per generation? I couldn't find anything about extra actions anywhere in the rules.

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Jemason921 wrote:
I'm afraid I'm still confused on a few things tegarding Solo Play:

1. It says that players start with no extra production. Does this mean all production levels are at 0, or does it mean that regardless of corporation, production levels all start at 1?

You start with everything at zero. Then you chose your corporation and modify your production accordingly.

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2. Someone mentioned elsewhere that in solo play, players take as many actions as they have resources for. Are solo players intended to still only take 1-2 actions per generation? I couldn't find anything about extra actions anywhere in the rules.

I think you misunderstood the rules. In multilayer games you have as many actions per generation as you want. You have 1-2 actions per TURN. Then all others take their turn . Then it is your turn again with 1-2 actions. You can take turns this way until you pass.
When everyone but you has passed (or in Solo games ) you have as many turns with 1-2 actions as you want. But there is no need to be precise about what action belongs to what turn.
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Ah I've missed the rule about starting with 0 production in a solo variant.

I started with a production of 1, Beginner corporation and no CE cards, managed to win at generation 13, thought with a relatively low score of 50ish, as I threw away anything that would only achieve points.

After reading this thread, for a moment I thought I've made another mistake and that a normal game ALSO starts with a production of 0.
 
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You start with zero production if you use the corporate era deck, no matter player count. Standard game starts with one production.
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Lord_Aethan wrote:
I am trying to win the solo game with all corporations. Are you up for the challenge? I just started. 2 sessions yet, 1 win. I have done this before, but only with a prototype expansion which adds a few rules, so I feel it doesn't count. Maybe I should start a solo challenge thread...


I think this is a fantastic idea. Instead of randomly choosing two corporate cards to choose from, choose one you've never used until you've tried them all (and won with them all). Great idea!
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Since my solo play is going to help prepare me for my 2 player play, and since I loath super hard solitaires (not that I'm saying this is), my first game or two solitaire is going to use the TR 20 (as in a 2 player game) and the beginner corporation and production of 1 in all areas.

To me this is most like the normal game. I want my play to prepare me for those two player games and I suspect the production ramp-up is very different between normal games and solo play.

Once my partner and I are playing CE era games I'll try the solo rules as stated in the book. I am going to use the CE cards because of the author's defense of them early in this post.

I can't say for sure since I lack the experience so far (just got the game) but I feel like there should be two solitaire modes, one similar to what I'm going to try first, and a "harder mode" for people who are up to speed in the game and are looking for increased challenge.

Does anyone want to poke holes in my theory above and claim that the standard rules would prepare me better for 2 players games using beginner corporations, TR 20, and productions starting at 1? Thanks.

By the way, it's a great game with a great theme. I sure would like to know how long a generation is though. I'm guessing about 30 years? I've heard players say though thought it was 100 years which seemed odd unless their families are extremely long lived!
 
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The Solo game is for people who want to play ... solo!
And therefore the rules are great. The difficulty is in a level that (after some learning games) you will win most but not every game. (Once you start to optimize our points you will risk to lose more games.)

If you want to play solo just for getting a feel for the multiplayer game I would recommend to play a two-handed game where you play for 2 players.
In a Solo game you will not have contest for milestones, awards, boni on the tracks and good places on the board. In addition in a Solo game your money economy will be different. When you start with 20 TR you will soon have too much income as you get an increased income for each terraformingstep.
When you start with 14 TR you will have less income during the first generations. But even there I usualy have the last 4-5 rounds more income than in most multiplayer games.
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I figure a generation to be 30-50 years, so a game of 10 generations will see Mars terraformed in approximately 400 years.

I agree with Fluxx above. It seems that you'd be best off playing a 2P game where you Control both players. The solo game has a completely different goal, economy, and interaction than the multiplayer game, even with your tweaks. Still, you could go ahead with your own suggestion just to get a feel for how most of the game works mechanically.

Have fun!
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I came here after playing my first solo game today with the same question as the OP ... unsure if I was supposed to add the CE cards or not. Without ever playing with the CE cards before, I figured the game would be harder with them, so decided to go ahead & play without them today, then check afterward.

Well, I lost. But like Matt above, I still scored 85 points anyway. (So if I lose again, at least I'll try to beat 85 pts). BTW, I maxed the Oxygen and Ocean requirements, but only made it to -2 deg on the temperature scale.

Anyhoo, my question about having to play with the CE cards was answered above. I'll report back here and let you know by how much it makes the game easier.

 
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i tried my first solo game tonight. Haven't gotten this to the table yet multiplayer so I went with the beginner Corp, 1 production on everything just to get a feel. Ended up winning with 99 points. Completed the terraforming in round 12, spent a couple rounds building some cities and woods etc to make points. Very fun, and I'm definitely looking forward to trying out the CE cards and corporations next time I play solo.
 
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Ah_Pook wrote:
i tried my first solo game tonight. Haven't gotten this to the table yet multiplayer so I went with the beginner Corp, 1 production on everything just to get a feel. Ended up winning with 99 points. Completed the terraforming in round 12, spent a couple rounds building some cities and woods etc to make points. Very fun, and I'm definitely looking forward to trying out the CE cards and corporations next time I play solo.


Great to hear you like the game!

But you did one important error: Solo game is only played with CE cards and without +1 production, so you made it too easy for yourself!
You can still choose to play beginner corp and get the 10 cards for free, but only in combination with CE cards and rules (no extra start prod).
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