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Subject: fire vs. strongpoints rss

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Sam Carroll
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According to the manual, strongpoints with the tank symbol get a +1 to their success number, and those with an infantry symbol get a -1. What happens with fire against them? By the rules as written, I believe they should all be treated as infantry-class units for enemy fire. For example, a veteran armored unit attacking a veteran tank-type strongpoint would have a +1 net success number. Is that correct?
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I had this confusion slightly from the playbook examples. I think the -1 in the playbook is based on the fact that strongpoints count as infantry behind field works for to hit. Could be wrong.
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Steve, that is correct! -1 if a Strongpoint is target!
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Sam Carroll
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And there it was on the chart all along. blush
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This has been quite confusing, probably because on the chart it looks like the +1/-1 values are really for Offensive firing, while for Defensive modifier it seems to be a flat -1 value. Not to mention the rulebook talks about treating them like field works. Which can get you mixed up in the Target Point Unit modifiers (2 lines above the vague Strongpoint values on the chart).
I had to keep reminding myself that Strongpoints are treated as a 3rd class of unit (neither Armor class or Infantry class).
Would have been nice if they listed Strongpoint in the TPU chart as they did in the Artilery fire Tables(since that is essentially the Class specific Defensive modifier).

I also noticed under the Combat Results table, Exploitation at night should be SN - 2 (not SN+2) per the rulebook.

I am also frequently confused with the River Assault references, which at times seems to be a generic marker for all assaults (River, Air, Crossing) and at times stands for the literal River Assault situation.

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So as far as strongpoints - I think the modifiers are as follows:
-1 SN to all fire (ground or artillery) against strongpoints.
-1 SN to strongpoints's fire if it shows rifle symbol
+1 SN to strongpoints's fire if it shows tank symbol.
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Michael Gustavsson
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Correct Sam!
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This all makes sense, and the Aid Chart was not totally clear.
But the confusion also comes from the example of play which seems to be wrong, and not consistent with Michael's reply.

Playbook Page 16, case F, 1st bullet (61st Infantry attack in Tel Saki):

61st Infantry has -1 (firing unit conducting a crossing assault) +1 (target's point unit is an armor-supported strongpoint) and -1 (veteran firing on elite) for a net SN of 5-1+1-1=4...

Shouldn't the 2nd modifier be:
-1 (target is a Strongpoint)... for a net SN of 5-1-1-1=2?
Fortunately, the result is the same... 1 hit
 
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