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So I just went to the new store for their grand opening / warehouse clearance.

Fantastic if you like Meeples.

If you like wargames (remember it is called Mil Sims), then absolutely friggin' woeful. Very disappointing, a wasted trip! Hopefully they get some stock eventually, but at this stage I will stick with online purchasing.
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Hattusilis_III wrote:
So I just went to the new store for their grand opening / warehouse clearance.

Fantastic if you like Meeples.

If you like wargames (remember it is called Mil Sims), then absolutely friggin' woeful. Very disappointing, a wasted trip! Hopefully they get some stock eventually, but at this stage I will stick with online purchasing.


I take your point, and I sympathize as I like wargames too.

But... surely you realize that it's different owners now with different gaming interests. I mean, Nokia started out as a paper-making company, but no one gets irked by the fact that they don't do that anymore. After all, what's in a name?

That said, I really do wish there was an Australian game retailer that focused on wargames. Some might call it a niche market within a niche market, but there do seem to be people clamouring to buy 'em!
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Well, they did say they would stock wargames and they have bought a name that literally says 'wargames' so it is very difficult to understand what they are doing.
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prd1982 wrote:

That said, I really do wish there was an Australian game retailer that focused on wargames. Some might call it a niche market within a niche market, but there do seem to be people clamouring to buy 'em!


Although I haven't been there in a while, Tactics here in Perth had a large selection of war games and advertise as a war game an fantasy specialist store.

http://www.tactics.net.au/
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Strange, I was there too, and saw more wargames than any other shop in Melbourne. Titles from MMP, GMT, all the C+C currently in print...

But the most notable thing was the queue, 30 metres long, of people buying games. So it seems a lot of folks were happy. Not as exciting as the old days in Cochranes Rd, but pretty damn good all the same.

The only thing that was missing was a coffee cart, IMO.
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Besides Command & Colours I saw 2 games from MMP, 2 games from GMT, and a few other other odd games, essentially the old stock that Milsims couldn't sell, and virtually none of it discounted. To suggest they had a Wargames section is disingenuous to say the least.
 
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I was just there too. There were a lot of the big name euro games, but there was a lot of that with the old shop too, and I still saw a fair amount of the other gaming sections.

I actually spoke briefly to Mitch, the new owner, about my own long time interest (Star Fleet Battles) and he was quite keen and happy to do what he could to support me. He said himself that he wanted the wargaming side to be core to the business, after all it's in the name.

I'd say that he is still getting established, so first he is going to make sure he has what he knows will sell. Anything he hasn't got he wants you to let him know. He asked me to send him an email and he would chase down distributors and see how soon he could get it in.

If you want him to stock particular games the best way is to ask him for them.
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Hattusilis_III wrote:
So I just went to the new store for their grand opening / warehouse clearance.

Fantastic if you like Meeples.

If you like wargames (remember it is called Mil Sims), then absolutely friggin' woeful. Very disappointing, a wasted trip! Hopefully they get some stock eventually, but at this stage I will stick with online purchasing.


Right now, Joe Dodgy's has acquired all of Milsims old stock and are still going through everything they got. Today's sale was to try and sell off slow moving products or excess products. I'm sure it takes a lot of time to go through thousands of products to see what to keep and what to liquidate.

Give them time and I'm sure the more popular wargames will be stocked. The "meeple games" would be their bread and butter to keep the cash flow going.

Did you check inside for the wargames section (non-wall shelves on the right near the counter)?
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Yes, I did look inside - it was very small and just the old stock Milsims couldn't sell and not discounted.

I was pleased to see overall stock levels were high and sales were good - Eurogames will generate could cash flows for them.

However, give that more than 6 months ago Joe Dodgy announced they were taking over Milsims and asked what stock wargamers would like to see, I was expecting there would be a number of new wargames items and some decent discounts on most of the old stock. Instead there was pretty much nothing.
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So my initial hope that they will eventually stock up looks to be satisfied as they plan to use some of their new cash flow to build up their wargame stock - excellent news!

I will be supporting them as much as I can!!
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Ozludo wrote:
The only thing that was missing was a coffee cart, IMO.
Second that!
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Third that!! About halfway through waiting in line in the main shop I would have paid just about anything for a coffee. I also commented that there would've been big business in a Bunnings-like sausage sizzle outside too

I am very happy with my purchases and can't wait to walk there again seeing as I live in Halls at Monash
 
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Never made it to the Cochranes Rd sales, even though I shopped there pretty often. However any wargamers who like Sales of Glory, Star Trek Attack Wing or D & D Attack Wing should have been happy. Plenty of stuff for gaming parents too!
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Hattusilis_III wrote:
So my initial hope that they will eventually stock up looks to be satisfied as they plan to use some of their new cash flow to build up their wargame stock - excellent news!

I will be supporting them as much as I can!!
im glad you've come around so I don't have to point out how much work is involved in setting up freight forwarding, re-establishing relationships with publishers that had previously put a stop on Milsims, moving to a retail premises (almost single-handedly too) and while doing all this, keep running the business.

Mitch has been working his arse off. Give him some time to get things in order. Then I will be bothering him too.
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foursaken wrote:
Give him some time to get things in order. Then I will be bothering him too.
Nah, go bother him with your dollars that need a new home. Married without kids, what were you going to spend it on anyway ?
 
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foursaken wrote:
Hattusilis_III wrote:
So my initial hope that they will eventually stock up looks to be satisfied as they plan to use some of their new cash flow to build up their wargame stock - excellent news!

I will be supporting them as much as I can!!
im glad you've come around so I don't have to point out how much work is involved in setting up freight forwarding, re-establishing relationships with publishers that had previously put a stop on Milsims, moving to a retail premises (almost single-handedly too) and while doing all this, keep running the business.

Mitch has been working his arse off. Give him some time to get things in order. Then I will be bothering him too.


Yes, but you would think when relaunching a wargames brand he would have at least added a few new wargames in the past six months, especially as he already had some relationships through Joe Dodgy.
 
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Hattusilis_III wrote:
Yes, but you would think when relaunching a wargames brand he would have at least added a few new wargames in the past six months, especially as he already had some relationships through Joe Dodgy.


A month ago the place was a mess and he was still trying to work out what he had. The sale was to create some space to move, and pull in some coin to reinvest in stock, including wargames. I spoke to Mitch about it - he's keen.

From Milsims Twitter/FB today...

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A Small Update for ASL Fans
(Advanced Squad Leader for the uninitiated - a 'meaty' squad-level wargame that's very hard to get in Australia.)
We've successfully made contact with MMP (the publisher) and have enough information to begin opening items up for pre-order again, with the aim being to bring over a huge lot of MMP games in our next container. (Due October-ish - so assume November because things always go wrong.)
So far we've only updated the base rulebook, (Full and pocket edition) Beyond Valour and Yanks. We'll update the rest of the items as quickly as possible.
If you'd like to place a pre-order for any of the above you are good to go, but please don't include any of the other ASL items till we've had a chance to update them as well.
The remainder of MMP's line of wargames will receive the same treatment after we've finished updating the ASL series. We hope to be able to do the same for GMT, Academy Games and other publishers in the near future.
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For comparison purposes:

MilSims prices on the website for the above are:

Rules $112.50 (MMP US$80)
Pocket Rules $52.50 (MMP US$40)
BV 3rd $155.95 (MMP US$120)
Yanks 2nd $166.95 (MMP US$128)

You can expect to pay ca. US$60 in shipping for either BV or Yanks. So those prices seem much better, assuming that local shipping costs will be a lot less (and less still if you're in a position to pick your order up from the store). Now, of course the MMP prices are full retail, and you'd expect any online retailer to offer somewhat better, but even so shipping from the US is a pretty constant factor, so if the new MilSims can deliver (no reason to assume that they can't) this is very good news indeed.
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dougadamsau wrote:
Hattusilis_III wrote:
Yes, but you would think when relaunching a wargames brand he would have at least added a few new wargames in the past six months, especially as he already had some relationships through Joe Dodgy.


A month ago the place was a mess and he was still trying to work out what he had. The sale was to create some space to move, and pull in some coin to reinvest in stock, including wargames. I spoke to Mitch about it - he's keen.

From Milsims Twitter/FB today...

Quote:
A Small Update for ASL Fans
(Advanced Squad Leader for the uninitiated - a 'meaty' squad-level wargame that's very hard to get in Australia.)
We've successfully made contact with MMP (the publisher) and have enough information to begin opening items up for pre-order again, with the aim being to bring over a huge lot of MMP games in our next container. (Due October-ish - so assume November because things always go wrong.)
So far we've only updated the base rulebook, (Full and pocket edition) Beyond Valour and Yanks. We'll update the rest of the items as quickly as possible.
If you'd like to place a pre-order for any of the above you are good to go, but please don't include any of the other ASL items till we've had a chance to update them as well.
The remainder of MMP's line of wargames will receive the same treatment after we've finished updating the ASL series. We hope to be able to do the same for GMT, Academy Games and other publishers in the near future.


Thanks. A bit more communication would have been good, though.
 
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BruceP wrote:
For comparison purposes:

MilSims prices on the website for the above are:

Rules $112.50 (MMP US$80)
Pocket Rules $52.50 (MMP US$40)
BV 3rd $155.95 (MMP US$120)
Yanks 2nd $166.95 (MMP US$128)

You can expect to pay ca. US$60 in shipping for either BV or Yanks. So those prices seem much better, assuming that local shipping costs will be a lot less (and less still if you're in a position to pick your order up from the store). Now, of course the MMP prices are full retail, and you'd expect any online retailer to offer somewhat better, but even so shipping from the US is a pretty constant factor, so if the new MilSims can deliver (no reason to assume that they can't) this is very good news indeed.


My intention is to buy as much off Milsims as possible, but yes a better comparison, especially for MMP, is using an OLR. So, Yanks you can get for USD82, and you can get it shipped for less than USD50 (as low as ~USD30 if you multi order). The old Milsims prices were amazing, so hopefully the new one can go at least close to that, but with enough margin to stay in business!
 
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Hattusilis_III wrote:
So, Yanks you can get for USD82


Yanks 2nd ed? That has only just started shipping within the last couple of weeks? MMP's pre-order price was US$96! Sorry, I don't think that I believe that price.

Yanks (1st edition) has been out of print for several years, and prices soared (supply and demand). Now that 2nd ed. is out, I expect there to be a lot of "fire sales" of these older editions. I can believe US$82 for a copy of 1st ed. (and I expect it may get cheaper still).
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This is great news as I had sent an email to Milsims about two weeks ago querying whether they would be stocking MMP products (and ASL in particular). I hadn't got a reply back yet but at least this confirms we will have an Aussie stockist of ASL. thumbsupthumbsup
 
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BruceP wrote:
Hattusilis_III wrote:
So, Yanks you can get for USD82


Yanks 2nd ed? That has only just started shipping within the last couple of weeks? MMP's pre-order price was US$96! Sorry, I don't think that I believe that price.

Yanks (1st edition) has been out of print for several years, and prices soared (supply and demand). Now that 2nd ed. is out, I expect there to be a lot of "fire sales" of these older editions. I can believe US$82 for a copy of 1st ed. (and I expect it may get cheaper still).

Whether you believe or not has no effect on its veracity.

http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/aslyaseedm.html

 
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Hattusilis_III wrote:
Whether you believe or not has no effect on its veracity.


Well, even if we can take the guy's price at face value (not sure why he'd want to sell the module "at cost" or even at a loss, but that's his business, not mine) you'll note that he's quoting the pre-order price. So his US$82 should be compared to MMP's US$96 pre-order price, not the full retail US$128 (while MilSims are clearly not basing their price on the pre-order quote).

As another point of comparison, Gamer's Armory, a US-based online retailer who I would normally consider to have a quite fair pricing structure, has a Yanks 2 pre-order price of US$102.50.

In any case, even if you consider the MilSims "base price" to be a middling-fair translation of typical (not extraordinary) US prices, the savings in shipping alone will always be considerable. Furthermore, it means that there will be visibility of ASL products on the shelves, something not seen in most Australian stores in quite some time. That all still adds up to "a good thing".

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Why would you not take it at face value? Fact is you can buy Yanks from him now and at that price!

In any case, my point was that MMP retail price is not a particularly useful price guide.

Whether the old Milsims prices will be a useful guide to future Milsims prices remains to be seen.

Guderian's Blitzkrieg II provides a useful comparison.
MMP sells for USD160.
OLRs sell for about USD130.
You can get it as low as USD88.

Joe Dodgy/Milsims has it for A$210.

Assuming A$45 shipping, the above equate to about A$265, A$225 and A$170, so great value if they can continue to do that. Also shows how overpriced MMP direct is!
 
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