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Sorry Milwaukee:


http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/08/14/guy-gives-perfectly-g...



Gonna probably get worse before it gets better.


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Sorry Milwaukee:


http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/08/14/guy-gives-perfectly-g...



Gonna probably get worse before it gets better.


Ferret




Seems vaguely familiar..

"Les gens riches ont tout cet argent et ils ne cherche pas à nous donner aucune" - Oh yea, france 1789.
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Its like you know, yeah, its like you know.

No numb nuts, I don't know what its like, that's why we are asking you. Holy fuck these kids are getting more and more "you know like" irritating.

He does have a point, white people don't know what it's like to be poor.

I wonder if this will turn into another BLM blunder like Korryn Gaines did.
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Ferretman wrote:
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http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/08/14/guy-gives-perfectly-g...



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Ferret


This is exactly correct. One has to simply read the demands of The Movement for Black Lives. It frankly leaves one dumbfounded; for example, defining children as under 23.

They (only black people) want direct control of all schools and police forces, to name just two areas of society. They want this stuff handed to them plus an immense amount of money, the list of for what is seemingly endless.

The demands contradict themselves and is ultra-Marxist. In any case, just read it for yourself. It's unbelievable.

This video from Sargon of Akkad is a good walk-through if you don't have a mind to read it for yourself.


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isaacc wrote:
Ferretman wrote:
Sorry Milwaukee:


http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/08/14/guy-gives-perfectly-g...



Gonna probably get worse before it gets better.


Ferret


This is exactly correct. One has to simply read the demands of The Movement for Black Lives. It frankly leaves one dumbfounded; for example, defining children as under 23.

They (only black people) want direct control of all schools and police forces, to name just two areas of society. They want this stuff handed to them plus an immense amount of money, the list of for what is seemingly endless.

The demands contradict themselves and is ultra-Marxist. In any case, just read it for yourself. It's unbelievable.

This video from Sargon of Akkad is a good walk-through if you don't have a mind to read it for yourself.


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They are not the same organization.
 
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Ferretman wrote:
Sorry Milwaukee:


http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/08/14/guy-gives-perfectly-g...



Gonna probably get worse before it gets better.


Ferret




Seems vaguely familiar..

"Les gens riches ont tout cet argent et ils ne cherche pas à nous donner aucune" - Oh yea, france 1789.


Point being what? Beheadings next, followed by a dictatorship? It all (including BLM) reaks of an attempted shake down operation that preys on white guilt.

I think it would be a great idea for the cis-gendered whitey leftists here to fly to Milwaukee and empty their bank accounts and give away their personal belongings to the rioters to cleanse themselves of their sins of past kin oppressions and future inevitable intersectionally dominant micro-aggressions.
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My point being that high unemployment and wealth disparity are associated with civil unrest around the globe regardless of political system.

What do you expect from anyone as they lose hope and begin to despair?

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Point being what? Beheadings next, followed by a dictatorship? It all (including BLM) reaks of an attempted shake down operation that preys on white guilt.

I think it would be a great idea for the cis-gendered whitey leftists here to fly to Milwaukee and empty their bank accounts and give away their personal belongings to the rioters to cleanse themselves of their sins of past kin oppressions and future inevitable intersectionally dominant micro-aggressions.


Unequal law enforcement. Too much of the bad kind, not enough of the good kind.

Unequal access to basic education.

Unequal access to basic government services.
* Lower quality libraries
* DMV offices open longer in rich white areas than in poor black areas.


No, I expect for the wealthy to be taxed at a higher rate and for the poor to get a better foundation for success in life with decent police protection not combined with unequal police law enforcement.

It's not just bad for blacks- that's the point of the spear. Our current system has been bad for 60% of the citizens of the country for the last 30 years. And with increasing dependence on social security, that's likely to rise to 70% because social security could have easily been funded with slightly higher taxes and with reduced benefits for those who were well off in retirement.
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I think the Title's quote is actually an excellent encapsulation of unreasonable distribution of wealth coupled with systemic disparity in opportunity.
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They do and have done for decades, all the lefty things to try to "help the downtrodden" but it just doesn't work. When you create a culture based on dependence and handouts, this is ultimately what you'll get.


Decades?


Let's get one thing absolutely clear, there is a culture based on dependence & handouts and it has been going on for more than decades.

The original culture of dependence and handouts:



You want to think it is different.
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The double negative has me confused. So are the rich people giving them money? I thought that was called welfare.
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My point being that high unemployment and wealth disparity are associated with civil unrest around the globe regardless of political system.

What do you expect from anyone as they lose hope and begin to despair?



Right?

I mean, we can mock this guy's grammar, but it's a pretty straight-forward summary of the current American plutocracy. It would have been nice if he had delivered a more erudite, 20-minute lecture on the many benefits of a protected middle class, but I'm not sure he had time to prepare. Besides, it's television news. Just gotta get that controversial soundbite as masturbation fodder for grown fucking men who watch Sargon Of Akkad non-ironically.

Riots are never an optimal move politically, of course. Innocent people get hurt, and a ton of opportunistic assholes use it as a chance to get free DVDs. But I get it. Once you realize a game is rigged, some people like to flip the board over and scatter the pieces.
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The double negative has me confused. So are the rich people giving them money? I thought that was called welfare.


Indeed. Depending on which BLM estimate of reparations one uses, the number of trillions of dollars, it is very likely that any reparations have already been paid, plus interest, via the very many channels of wealth redistribution in the United States (welfare, etc.).

As usual, with the Left, history starts afresh every morning. Reparations, financial help, affirmative action, etc., all starts today.
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Go ahead and keep blaming people who have been dead for centuries. The rioters are the type of people you will produce when you encourage victimhood and dependence rather than self sufficiency.


Ignoring of course things closer to out time period like income disparity, ingrained discrimination, unequal outcomes from the Justice system, etc

Tell me, do you actually read the links/facts you are refuting, or you just press a button that vomits out right wing memes like "victimhood". Sure cuts down on the stress not having to provide a cogent argument
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Kumitedad wrote:
bjlillo wrote:
Go ahead and keep blaming people who have been dead for centuries. The rioters are the type of people you will produce when you encourage victimhood and dependence rather than self sufficiency.


Ignoring of course things closer to out time period like income disparity, ingrained discrimination, unequal outcomes from the Justice system, etc

Tell me, do you actually read the links/facts you are refuting, or you just press a button that vomits out right wing memes like "victimhood". Sure cuts down on the stress not having to provide a cogent argument


As I've said in this very thread, we've had 100 straight years in Milwaukee of Democrat/Socialist control of the mayor's office and Common Council and they've tried lefty remedies for all those decades to try to fix the very things you're complaining about. They aren't fixed because lefty policies don't work.

At some point, instead of vomiting out dipshittisms like you normally do, you should try reading what people have actually said and attempt to understand it. That seems to be a significant problem for you and the primary reason you just aren't worth engaging.


Dude, it's always the Republicans fault. If only they did more lefty shit all would be fixed.
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Indeed. Depending on which BLM estimate of reparations one uses, the number of trillions of dollars, it is very likely that any reparations have already been paid, plus interest, via the very many channels of wealth redistribution in the United States (welfare, etc.)


It's honestly not even close.

An absolute minimum calculation of reparations assumes that you present the minimum standard federal wage as what slaves should have earned hourly. The assumption here is that assigning the federal minimum wage for hourly calculation corrects for inflation and assigns a real-dollar value; in truth, it doesn't come anywhere close to doing so (I mean, hell, the minimum federal wage hasn't even managed to self-correct for the last couple decades of inflation). But we're talking minimum value. So take that federal minimum wage of $7.25. Multiply it by 70 years, for the years 1790-1860. (It should probably be more years, but again: minimum.) Multiply that by two million, which is the average number of slaves that were living in the United States during any given year at that time. (Ranges from 697,897 in 1790 to 3,953,760 at the start of the Civil War.) Multiply that by ten hours a day, for three hundred and sixty-five days a year, because slaves weren't given days off as a general rule, and most of them worked much longer than ten hours a day, but we need a number. (Again: minimum).

That's $3.7 trillion owed as of 1860 before you apply interest. If you compound interest at 2% annually - and actual interest rates are way higher than that but, again, minimum - you end up with a total of about 59 trillion dollars owed for reparations.

Now let's turn to the other side of the coin and figure out what's been paid already. The Cato Institute famously claims that the USE spends $1 trillion per year on welfare programs. Of course, because it's the Cato Institute, it's incredibly dishonest about this and the actual number is more like $212 billion. And, of course, the majority of that $212 billion goes to poor white people. But hey, let's take that $212 billion, and tack on the $228 billion that gets spent on Medicaid every year, and let's just pretend that all of that $440 billion every year goes to black people - that way we can roll in Social Security and Medicare received by black people as well, and it's still going to be too high a number but whatever, we need a number. So: $440 billion a year in current dollars. Backdate that to 1964, when black people actually started getting government programs dedicated to them that weren't inferior versions of what low-income white people got - and again, we're being generous because many of these programs took much longer to implement, but whatever - and that's $22.8 trillion paid out to black people.

So: 59 trillion minus 22.8 trillion equals 36.2 trillion dollars left to be paid out in reparations. Divide that by the number of black people in the United States and you've got a payout of about a million dollars to each and every one of them. And, again: I just used the absolute most minimal numbers I could use. Using proper interest rates instead of a constant interest rate nowhere close to actual rates, or something less hamfisted than the current federal minimum wage to calculate what they were owed, or factoring in interest on the money actually earned over a period of seventy years, or actually calculating what has been spent on black people in terms their received share of of actual welfare programs as opposed to general social programs - all of these would hyperinflate the figure owed.

There is simply no reparations calculation that exists that justifies your position, Isaac. Not a single one.
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Some people will and can minimize the impact of wealth inequality until the guillotines are erected and neo-Marie Antoinette's are put to the blade.

The stupid thing is the bald faced greed. The answer is so simple, maybe if the one percent actually paid the 99% more money 80% of those people would STFU.
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Some people will and can minimize the impact of wealth inequality until the guillotines are erected and neo-Marie Antoinette's are put to the blade.

The stupid thing is the bald faced greed. The answer is so simple, maybe if the one percent actually paid the 99% more money 80% of those people would STFU.


Yea well thankfully the left is afraid of guns so we don't have to worry about an armed revolution to do that.
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rcbevco wrote:
Some people will and can minimize the impact of wealth inequality until the guillotines are erected and neo-Marie Antoinette's are put to the blade.

The stupid thing is the bald faced greed. The answer is so simple, maybe if the one percent actually paid the 99% more money 80% of those people would STFU.


Yea well thankfully the left is afraid of guns so we don't have to worry about an armed revolution to do that.



If enough people join the movement the only ones with guns that will counter it would be the state. Only third world dictatorships and half-assed democracies like Turkey (they didn't THIS time) can count on the military slaughtering civilians. I do have to admit a Tienanmen square type event is possible in the US but given the reasons behind the insurgency I feel that they wouldn't shoot... I hope.
 
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isaacc wrote:
Indeed. Depending on which BLM estimate of reparations one uses, the number of trillions of dollars, it is very likely that any reparations have already been paid, plus interest, via the very many channels of wealth redistribution in the United States (welfare, etc.)


It's honestly not even close.

An absolute minimum calculation of reparations assumes that you present the minimum standard federal wage as what slaves should have earned hourly. The assumption here is that assigning the federal minimum wage for hourly calculation corrects for inflation and assigns a real-dollar value; in truth, it doesn't come anywhere close to doing so (I mean, hell, the minimum federal wage hasn't even managed to self-correct for the last couple decades of inflation). But we're talking minimum value. So take that federal minimum wage of $7.25. Multiply it by 70 years, for the years 1790-1860. (It should probably be more years, but again: minimum.) Multiply that by two million, which is the average number of slaves that were living in the United States during any given year at that time. (Ranges from 697,897 in 1790 to 3,953,760 at the start of the Civil War.) Multiply that by ten hours a day, for three hundred and sixty-five days a year, because slaves weren't given days off as a general rule, and most of them worked much longer than ten hours a day, but we need a number. (Again: minimum).

That's $3.7 trillion owed as of 1860 before you apply interest. If you compound interest at 2% annually - and actual interest rates are way higher than that but, again, minimum - you end up with a total of about 59 trillion dollars owed for reparations.

Now let's turn to the other side of the coin and figure out what's been paid already. The Cato Institute famously claims that the USE spends $1 trillion per year on welfare programs. Of course, because it's the Cato Institute, it's incredibly dishonest about this and the actual number is more like $212 billion. And, of course, the majority of that $212 billion goes to poor white people. But hey, let's take that $212 billion, and tack on the $228 billion that gets spent on Medicaid every year, and let's just pretend that all of that $440 billion every year goes to black people - that way we can roll in Social Security and Medicare received by black people as well, and it's still going to be too high a number but whatever, we need a number. So: $440 billion a year in current dollars. Backdate that to 1964, when black people actually started getting government programs dedicated to them that weren't inferior versions of what low-income white people got - and again, we're being generous because many of these programs took much longer to implement, but whatever - and that's $22.8 trillion paid out to black people.

So: 59 trillion minus 22.8 trillion equals 36.2 trillion dollars left to be paid out in reparations. Divide that by the number of black people in the United States and you've got a payout of about a million dollars to each and every one of them. And, again: I just used the absolute most minimal numbers I could use. Using proper interest rates instead of a constant interest rate nowhere close to actual rates, or something less hamfisted than the current federal minimum wage to calculate what they were owed, or factoring in interest on the money actually earned over a period of seventy years, or actually calculating what has been spent on black people in terms their received share of of actual welfare programs as opposed to general social programs - all of these would hyperinflate the figure owed.

There is simply no reparations calculation that exists that justifies your position, Isaac. Not a single one.


Charging them for the food and board that they received might significantly decrease that number. Although I bet with the quality of those that they were given, a fair market price might be quite low as well.

It's such an accounting thing. I like accounting because it can place value on a lot of things. But it really can't put a value on the lack of freedom.
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Charging them for the food and board that they received might significantly decrease that number.


Kidnappers don't get to charge for the cell.
 
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My point being that high unemployment and wealth disparity are associated with civil unrest around the globe regardless of political system.

What do you expect from anyone as they lose hope and begin to despair?

Is that wealth disparity leads to criminal behavior or criminal behavior leads to wealth disparity?
 
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Charging them for the food and board that they received might significantly decrease that number.


Kidnappers don't get to charge for the cell.


Because they don't reduce the obligations of the kidnapped person. They still have to pay their mortgage/rent while they're kidnapped.
 
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maxo-texas wrote:
My point being that high unemployment and wealth disparity are associated with civil unrest around the globe regardless of political system.

What do you expect from anyone as they lose hope and begin to despair?

Is that wealth disparity leads to criminal behavior or criminal behavior leads to wealth disparity?


No desperation does. These people right or wrong feel desperate. At some point if enough people feel that way... If you don't think it will happen you're fooling yourself.
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Yea well thankfully the left is afraid of guns so we don't have to worry about an armed revolution to do that.
We're not afraid of guns, we're not even afraid of guns people securely keep in their homes to use for defense. We are afraid of desperate people with guns, dumbassess with guns and people with anger management issues with guns. Come up with a plan that controls their risk factors while it protects rational, reasonable people's reasons for having them and I am fully on board.
 
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