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James Weidlich
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Are the pet avengers heroes? Surprisingly they are special sidekicks and lack the hero tag.
 
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Regular sidekicks also lack the hero tag, and I couldn't find any info in the rule books to answer the question of whether sidekicks count as heroes.

Would also be curious to know the answer, because this question did come up recently.

Intuitively, I would think that sidekicks are heroes, but its not explicit.

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do you mix the pet avengers into the reg sidekicks, or is it a completely different deck?
 
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It's a combined Sidekick deck that is now placed face-down and when the Sidekick card gets played it goes on the bottom of the deck
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I thought I remembered it saying somewhere that sidekicks were Heroes, but I cant remember where.
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Upon further review, they should be heroes. Regular sidekicks are heroes. The rule sheet says they count for their hero class.
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My question is, what is each pet's hero name?

Following theme, the hero name is the pet's individual name.

Following typical card layout, "Special Sidekick" is the hero name of every pet and the pet's actual name is the card name.

This matters for Patriot. If you have more than one different special sidekick, do they all count for +1 hero together or does each different pet count on its own?
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I think with Patriot you'd get +1 if you had any regular sidekicks and +1 if you had any special side-kicks, as technically the smaller font text is the cards' Hero Name.
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Bratty wrote:
My question is, what is each pet's hero name?

Following theme, the hero name is the pet's individual name.

Following typical card layout, "Special Sidekick" is the hero name of every pet and the pet's actual name is the card name.

This matters for Patriot. If you have more than one different special sidekick, do they all count for +1 hero together or does each different pet count on its own?


I think a lot of this game comes down to their design teams going "Huh....never thought about that..." which is a shame, because this game could go from an 8 in quality to a 10 if they spent just a LITTLE more time/effort on hammering out the kinks.

I played it as each Special Sidekick having it's own Hero Name. Lockjaw just isn't the same hero as Throg, no matter how the card is laid out. "Special Sidekick" is not a name. It sounds like someone that works with http://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Handi-Man-Living-....
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evilempire22 wrote:
Regular sidekicks also lack the hero tag, and I couldn't find any info in the rule books to answer the question of whether sidekicks count as heroes.

Would also be curious to know the answer, because this question did come up recently.

Intuitively, I would think that sidekicks are heroes, but its not explicit.

--Evil


I thought that Regular Sidekicks ARE heroes.


They say "Hero" underneath their name.
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runnestrand wrote:
I think a lot of this game comes down to their design teams going "Huh....never thought about that..." which is a shame, because this game could go from an 8 in quality to a 10 if they spent just a LITTLE more time/effort on hammering out the kinks.

I agree. I obviously have no inside knowledge, but if I had to bet, I'd say the play-testing is something of a closed-loop system in that the play-testers are either the same people designing the cards or those closely involved with them rather than a "blind" testing where the play-testers see the cards from a cold start and fresh eyes to provide input. The first way is fine for the major "muscle movements" and some initial tweeks, but the latter tends to get and give more granularity.
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runnestrand wrote:
I think a lot of this game comes down to their design teams going "Huh....never thought about that..." which is a shame, because this game could go from an 8 in quality to a 10 if they spent just a LITTLE more time/effort on hammering out the kinks.


With the insane number of possible card interactions, which increase with every expansion, that this game has it seems a little unreasonable to think that the design team is going to know all of them. There is always going to be a few interactions that slip through play-testing no matter how much time and effort they put into it.
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AHewlett wrote:
With the insane number of possible card interactions, which increase with every expansion, that this game has it seems a little unreasonable to think that the design team is going to know all of them. There is always going to be a few interactions that slip through play-testing no matter how much time and effort they put into it.


Expecting them to have tested every possible card combinations might be a bit unreasonable, yeah. But this is a question about new cards from the same just-released set and some of those cards are intended to be mixed into a stack that is available in every single game. They had to have tested playing with Patriot in a game with pet Avengers. They had to have encountered this exact interaction.
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jnowak415 wrote:
evilempire22 wrote:
Regular sidekicks also lack the hero tag, and I couldn't find any info in the rule books to answer the question of whether sidekicks count as heroes.

Would also be curious to know the answer, because this question did come up recently.

Intuitively, I would think that sidekicks are heroes, but its not explicit.

--Evil


I thought that Regular Sidekicks ARE heroes.


They say "Hero" underneath their name.


Ya, sorry, I didn't have an OG Sidekick in front of me when I posted that, but I knew for sure the new pet Sidekicks didn't say hero since the question came up that day.

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Bratty wrote:
AHewlett wrote:
With the insane number of possible card interactions, which increase with every expansion, that this game has it seems a little unreasonable to think that the design team is going to know all of them. There is always going to be a few interactions that slip through play-testing no matter how much time and effort they put into it.


Expecting them to have tested every possible card combinations might be a bit unreasonable, yeah. But this is a question about new cards from the same just-released set and some of those cards are intended to be mixed into a stack that is available in every single game. They had to have tested playing with Patriot in a game with pet Avengers. They had to have encountered this exact interaction.


Yes, and much as I love this expansion and am looking forward to playing it more, I feel like there's already been quite a few fairly obvious card interactions that have left people puzzled:
-this one
-how divided cards interact with schemes Reveal Heroes Secret Identities and Avengers vs X-Men
-these aren't even card interactions but lots of people have been confused by Authoritarian Iron Man's Master Strike and the Imprison Unregistered Superhumans Scheme
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Todd Dobmeyer
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We played one of the old schemes (it escapes me right now) where you can only have so many non-gray heroes be KO'd before you lose. We were wondering if the Pet Sidekicks counted toward this count since regular sidekicks are "gray" but are Pet Sidekicks "heroes"?
 
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ToddAtWSU wrote:
We played one of the old schemes (it escapes me right now) where you can only have so many non-gray heroes be KO'd before you lose. We were wondering if the Pet Sidekicks counted toward this count since regular sidekicks are "gray" but are Pet Sidekicks "heroes"?


I would count them. Seems to be what was intended.

Secret Avengers Captain America's cards refer to "each Sidekick and other Avengers Hero", which kind of implies that the Pet Avengers do count as Heroes.
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"Gray" is usually equivalent to "Has no Class symbol".
 
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dontfeedthegreen wrote:

Secret Avengers Captain America's cards refer to "each Sidekick and other Avengers Hero", which kind of implies that the Pet Avengers do count as Heroes.


"other" Avengers Hero in this case refers to Avengers that are not the card you just played.
 
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carnilius wrote:
dontfeedthegreen wrote:

Secret Avengers Captain America's cards refer to "each Sidekick and other Avengers Hero", which kind of implies that the Pet Avengers do count as Heroes.


"other" Avengers Hero in this case refers to Avengers that are not the card you just played.

True, but what our green friend is saying is that the Pet Avengers are Sidekicks (Special ones, at that).
 
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