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Trump on Monday is also expected to propose creating a new, ideological test for admission to the country that would assess a candidate's stances on issues like religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. Through questionnaires, searching social media, interviewing friends and family or other means, applicants would be vetted to see whether they support American values like tolerance and pluralism.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dab801a6d01341ee8f0a52a2b41ed...

This seems problematic as Americans are divided on what those issues actually mean and what those rights define.
 
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Would love to see the answer book for this test, laughs, wonders who determines what the "right" answer is.
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Yeah. That's a losing issue.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
Yeah. That's a losing issue.


Seriously. Whatever values you choose as being "good" ones you lose Americans who don't agree with those values (given that he's choosing ones on totally not at all controversial topics like gays and religious freedom) and along the way you lose people who hold to the actual American value of not thinking that you have to have a certain set of views to be American.

The great irony is that Trump always bemoans political correctness and now he would literally be creating a political correctness test for immigrants.
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Chad_Ellis wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Yeah. That's a losing issue.


Seriously. Whatever values you choose as being "good" ones you lose Americans who don't agree with those values (given that he's choosing ones on totally not at all controversial topics like gays and religious freedom) and along the way you lose people who hold to the actual American value of not thinking that you have to have a certain set of views to be American.

The great irony is that Trump always bemoans political correctness and now he would literally be creating a political correctness test for immigrants.


I agree. Terrorism is a valid value, and the US is totally to blame for this value. It must be a respected value amongst people who would put you, personally, on their first-to-be-stoned-to-death list.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
Chad_Ellis wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Yeah. That's a losing issue.


Seriously. Whatever values you choose as being "good" ones you lose Americans who don't agree with those values (given that he's choosing ones on totally not at all controversial topics like gays and religious freedom) and along the way you lose people who hold to the actual American value of not thinking that you have to have a certain set of views to be American.

The great irony is that Trump always bemoans political correctness and now he would literally be creating a political correctness test for immigrants.


I agree. Terrorism is a valid value, and the US is totally to blame for this value. It must be a respected value amongst people who would put you, personally, on their first-to-be-stoned-to-death list.


Brilliant idea this. Nothing like singling out a religion to make them feel more isolated and create an atmosphere where it is easier to create terrorists. Tell me, who is using your family's brain cell at the moment, it looks like you need it back desperately
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Kumitedad wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Chad_Ellis wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Yeah. That's a losing issue.


Seriously. Whatever values you choose as being "good" ones you lose Americans who don't agree with those values (given that he's choosing ones on totally not at all controversial topics like gays and religious freedom) and along the way you lose people who hold to the actual American value of not thinking that you have to have a certain set of views to be American.

The great irony is that Trump always bemoans political correctness and now he would literally be creating a political correctness test for immigrants.


I agree. Terrorism is a valid value, and the US is totally to blame for this value. It must be a respected value amongst people who would put you, personally, on their first-to-be-stoned-to-death list.


Brilliant idea this. Nothing like singling out a religion to make them feel more isolated and create an atmosphere where it is easier to create terrorists. Tell me, who is using your family's brain cell at the moment, it looks like you need it back desperately


I hope you're being sarcastic because I certainly wasn't.

I am all for filtering out Christian and Buddhist terrorists from Christian and Buddhist nations that sponsor terrorism, too
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
Kumitedad wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Chad_Ellis wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Yeah. That's a losing issue.


Seriously. Whatever values you choose as being "good" ones you lose Americans who don't agree with those values (given that he's choosing ones on totally not at all controversial topics like gays and religious freedom) and along the way you lose people who hold to the actual American value of not thinking that you have to have a certain set of views to be American.

The great irony is that Trump always bemoans political correctness and now he would literally be creating a political correctness test for immigrants.


I agree. Terrorism is a valid value, and the US is totally to blame for this value. It must be a respected value amongst people who would put you, personally, on their first-to-be-stoned-to-death list.


Brilliant idea this. Nothing like singling out a religion to make them feel more isolated and create an atmosphere where it is easier to create terrorists. Tell me, who is using your family's brain cell at the moment, it looks like you need it back desperately


I hope you're being sarcastic because I certainly wasn't.

I am all for filtering out Christian and Buddhist terrorists from Christian and Buddhist nations that sponsor terrorism, too


I am not being sarcastic, as this idiocy is only being trotted out to appeal to brainless cretins, because all it will do is make the situation inside the country poisonous enough to create new terrorist and make some of the external allies we need hesitant to help.

Less security so your can indulge in your loathsome bigotry is not really a good trade off
 
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Kumitedad wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Kumitedad wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Chad_Ellis wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Yeah. That's a losing issue.


Seriously. Whatever values you choose as being "good" ones you lose Americans who don't agree with those values (given that he's choosing ones on totally not at all controversial topics like gays and religious freedom) and along the way you lose people who hold to the actual American value of not thinking that you have to have a certain set of views to be American.

The great irony is that Trump always bemoans political correctness and now he would literally be creating a political correctness test for immigrants.


I agree. Terrorism is a valid value, and the US is totally to blame for this value. It must be a respected value amongst people who would put you, personally, on their first-to-be-stoned-to-death list.


Brilliant idea this. Nothing like singling out a religion to make them feel more isolated and create an atmosphere where it is easier to create terrorists. Tell me, who is using your family's brain cell at the moment, it looks like you need it back desperately


I hope you're being sarcastic because I certainly wasn't.

I am all for filtering out Christian and Buddhist terrorists from Christian and Buddhist nations that sponsor terrorism, too


I am not being sarcastic, as this idiocy is only being trotted out to appeal to brainless cretins, because all it will do is make the situation inside the country poisonous enough to create new terrorist and make some of the external allies we need hesitant to help.

Less security so your can indulge in your loathsome bigotry is not really a good trade off


I read an article about a computer program that submitted nonsense to a journal and was published. Do you represent Phase II of this project, unleashing well punctuated babble throughout the Internet ?
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Koldfoot wrote:
Kumitedad wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Kumitedad wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Chad_Ellis wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Yeah. That's a losing issue.


Seriously. Whatever values you choose as being "good" ones you lose Americans who don't agree with those values (given that he's choosing ones on totally not at all controversial topics like gays and religious freedom) and along the way you lose people who hold to the actual American value of not thinking that you have to have a certain set of views to be American.

The great irony is that Trump always bemoans political correctness and now he would literally be creating a political correctness test for immigrants.


I agree. Terrorism is a valid value, and the US is totally to blame for this value. It must be a respected value amongst people who would put you, personally, on their first-to-be-stoned-to-death list.


Brilliant idea this. Nothing like singling out a religion to make them feel more isolated and create an atmosphere where it is easier to create terrorists. Tell me, who is using your family's brain cell at the moment, it looks like you need it back desperately


I hope you're being sarcastic because I certainly wasn't.

I am all for filtering out Christian and Buddhist terrorists from Christian and Buddhist nations that sponsor terrorism, too


I am not being sarcastic, as this idiocy is only being trotted out to appeal to brainless cretins, because all it will do is make the situation inside the country poisonous enough to create new terrorist and make some of the external allies we need hesitant to help.

Less security so your can indulge in your loathsome bigotry is not really a good trade off


I read an article about a computer program that submitted nonsense to a journal and was published. Do you represent Phase II of this project, unleashing well punctuated babble throughout the Internet ?


Since you answer none of my points, I think it is more likely you are the beta version of the Bigot-Bot 5000

So lets try again, you wish to opine how creating a poisonously bigoted atmosphere for a religions minority does anything but feed your rather vile prejudices cupcake?
 
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Trump on Monday is also expected to propose creating a new, ideological test for admission to the country that would assess a candidate's stances on issues like religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. Through questionnaires, searching social media, interviewing friends and family or other means, applicants would be vetted to see whether they support American values like tolerance and pluralism.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dab801a6d01341ee8f0a52a2b41ed...

This seems problematic as Americans are divided on what those issues actually mean and what those rights define.


"gender equality and gay rights" are now bad?

How about honesty?

"More than a third of asylum applications are being made by migrants who are illegally in the (UK) or have overstayed their visas."

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/false-claims-clog-up-...
 
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Kumitedad wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Kumitedad wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Kumitedad wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Chad_Ellis wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Yeah. That's a losing issue.


Seriously. Whatever values you choose as being "good" ones you lose Americans who don't agree with those values (given that he's choosing ones on totally not at all controversial topics like gays and religious freedom) and along the way you lose people who hold to the actual American value of not thinking that you have to have a certain set of views to be American.

The great irony is that Trump always bemoans political correctness and now he would literally be creating a political correctness test for immigrants.


I agree. Terrorism is a valid value, and the US is totally to blame for this value. It must be a respected value amongst people who would put you, personally, on their first-to-be-stoned-to-death list.


Brilliant idea this. Nothing like singling out a religion to make them feel more isolated and create an atmosphere where it is easier to create terrorists. Tell me, who is using your family's brain cell at the moment, it looks like you need it back desperately


I hope you're being sarcastic because I certainly wasn't.

I am all for filtering out Christian and Buddhist terrorists from Christian and Buddhist nations that sponsor terrorism, too


I am not being sarcastic, as this idiocy is only being trotted out to appeal to brainless cretins, because all it will do is make the situation inside the country poisonous enough to create new terrorist and make some of the external allies we need hesitant to help.

Less security so your can indulge in your loathsome bigotry is not really a good trade off


I read an article about a computer program that submitted nonsense to a journal and was published. Do you represent Phase II of this project, unleashing well punctuated babble throughout the Internet ?


Since you answer none of my points, I think it is more likely you are the beta version of the Bigot-Bot 5000

So lets try again, you wish to opine how creating a poisonously bigoted atmosphere for a religions minority does anything but feed your rather vile prejudices cupcake?


Answer your questions?

Sorry, I didn't see a question mark.

Nor a coherent sentence.
 
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jmilum wrote:
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Trump on Monday is also expected to propose creating a new, ideological test for admission to the country that would assess a candidate's stances on issues like religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. Through questionnaires, searching social media, interviewing friends and family or other means, applicants would be vetted to see whether they support American values like tolerance and pluralism.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dab801a6d01341ee8f0a52a2b41ed...

This seems problematic as Americans are divided on what those issues actually mean and what those rights define.


So you are ok with terrorists slipping by immigration authorities?
 
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Trump on Monday is also expected to propose creating a new, ideological test for admission to the country that would assess a candidate's stances on issues like religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. Through questionnaires, searching social media, interviewing friends and family or other means, applicants would be vetted to see whether they support American values like tolerance and pluralism.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dab801a6d01341ee8f0a52a2b41ed...

This seems problematic as Americans are divided on what those issues actually mean and what those rights define.


"gender equality and gay rights" are now bad?


Well, to be strictly fair, the article doesn't specify what the correct answers to those questions are.
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sikeospi wrote:
jmilum wrote:
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Trump on Monday is also expected to propose creating a new, ideological test for admission to the country that would assess a candidate's stances on issues like religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. Through questionnaires, searching social media, interviewing friends and family or other means, applicants would be vetted to see whether they support American values like tolerance and pluralism.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dab801a6d01341ee8f0a52a2b41ed...

This seems problematic as Americans are divided on what those issues actually mean and what those rights define.


"gender equality and gay rights" are now bad?

How about honesty?

"More than a third of asylum applications are being made by migrants who are illegally in the (UK) or have overstayed their visas."

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/false-claims-clog-up-...


I'm not sure you can directly apply UK figures to the US.

However of those 84,000 nearly 23% of them were given asylum when they did apply. The majority of rest were most likely visa-overstay issues. These could be ex-students - who are allowed to stay and work for a period of time after their degree course.

However one of the key factors in not applying for asylum is the rhetoric that Trump is now employing. If you are getting an anti-immigrant message either in general, or with respect to your religion or country, then you are not likely to have trust in the system and more likely to stay without applying for asylum.
 
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Sarxis wrote:
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Trump on Monday is also expected to propose creating a new, ideological test for admission to the country that would assess a candidate's stances on issues like religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. Through questionnaires, searching social media, interviewing friends and family or other means, applicants would be vetted to see whether they support American values like tolerance and pluralism.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dab801a6d01341ee8f0a52a2b41ed...

This seems problematic as Americans are divided on what those issues actually mean and what those rights define.


So you are ok with terrorists slipping by immigration authorities?

This proposed test isn't about catching terrorists. It's about only allowing immigrants that meet a certain political ideology.

What if the question was: do you support same sex marriage?

What would you answer?
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Koldfoot wrote:
Chad_Ellis wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Yeah. That's a losing issue.


Seriously. Whatever values you choose as being "good" ones you lose Americans who don't agree with those values (given that he's choosing ones on totally not at all controversial topics like gays and religious freedom) and along the way you lose people who hold to the actual American value of not thinking that you have to have a certain set of views to be American.

The great irony is that Trump always bemoans political correctness and now he would literally be creating a political correctness test for immigrants.


I agree. Terrorism is a valid value, and the US is totally to blame for this value. It must be a respected value amongst people who would put you, personally, on their first-to-be-stoned-to-death list.
And Terrorism has sod all to do with things like gay rights.

 
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Koldfoot wrote:
Kumitedad wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Kumitedad wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Kumitedad wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Chad_Ellis wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Yeah. That's a losing issue.


Seriously. Whatever values you choose as being "good" ones you lose Americans who don't agree with those values (given that he's choosing ones on totally not at all controversial topics like gays and religious freedom) and along the way you lose people who hold to the actual American value of not thinking that you have to have a certain set of views to be American.

The great irony is that Trump always bemoans political correctness and now he would literally be creating a political correctness test for immigrants.


I agree. Terrorism is a valid value, and the US is totally to blame for this value. It must be a respected value amongst people who would put you, personally, on their first-to-be-stoned-to-death list.


Brilliant idea this. Nothing like singling out a religion to make them feel more isolated and create an atmosphere where it is easier to create terrorists. Tell me, who is using your family's brain cell at the moment, it looks like you need it back desperately


I hope you're being sarcastic because I certainly wasn't.

I am all for filtering out Christian and Buddhist terrorists from Christian and Buddhist nations that sponsor terrorism, too


I am not being sarcastic, as this idiocy is only being trotted out to appeal to brainless cretins, because all it will do is make the situation inside the country poisonous enough to create new terrorist and make some of the external allies we need hesitant to help.

Less security so your can indulge in your loathsome bigotry is not really a good trade off


I read an article about a computer program that submitted nonsense to a journal and was published. Do you represent Phase II of this project, unleashing well punctuated babble throughout the Internet ?


Since you answer none of my points, I think it is more likely you are the beta version of the Bigot-Bot 5000

So lets try again, you wish to opine how creating a poisonously bigoted atmosphere for a religions minority does anything but feed your rather vile prejudices cupcake?


Answer your questions?

Sorry, I didn't see a question mark.

Nor a coherent sentence.


Sorry I said point not questions. I can't help it if you cannot recognized the difference between words
 
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jmilum wrote:
Sarxis wrote:
jmilum wrote:
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Trump on Monday is also expected to propose creating a new, ideological test for admission to the country that would assess a candidate's stances on issues like religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. Through questionnaires, searching social media, interviewing friends and family or other means, applicants would be vetted to see whether they support American values like tolerance and pluralism.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dab801a6d01341ee8f0a52a2b41ed...

This seems problematic as Americans are divided on what those issues actually mean and what those rights define.


So you are ok with terrorists slipping by immigration authorities?

This proposed test isn't about catching terrorists. It's about only allowing immigrants that meet a certain political ideology.

What if the question was: do you support same sex marriage?

What would you answer?


Why do you think it's only about political ideology? I think you are assuming it will be that, when Trump has stated it actually is about vetting immigrants who truly do not share American values.

And as a bonus: Muslims don't support same sex marriage.
 
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Sarxis wrote:
jmilum wrote:
Sarxis wrote:
jmilum wrote:
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Trump on Monday is also expected to propose creating a new, ideological test for admission to the country that would assess a candidate's stances on issues like religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. Through questionnaires, searching social media, interviewing friends and family or other means, applicants would be vetted to see whether they support American values like tolerance and pluralism.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dab801a6d01341ee8f0a52a2b41ed...

This seems problematic as Americans are divided on what those issues actually mean and what those rights define.


So you are ok with terrorists slipping by immigration authorities?

This proposed test isn't about catching terrorists. It's about only allowing immigrants that meet a certain political ideology.

What if the question was: do you support same sex marriage?

What would you answer?


Why do you think it's only about political ideology? I think you are assuming it will be that, when Trump has stated it actually is about vetting immigrants who truly do not share American values.

And as a bonus: Muslims don't support same sex marriage.

Do you?

What are the American values that will be tested?
 
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Sarxis wrote:
Why do you think it's only about political ideology? I think you are assuming it will be that, when Trump has stated it actually is about vetting immigrants who truly do not share American values.

And as a bonus: Muslims don't support same sex marriage.


Well, I mean, honestly? Neither does a large segment of the American population. Can we kick them out of the country for being unamerican?

I mean, I'm all for us considering gay marriage and all that as a true part of American ideology, but that's because I believe it is right and correct. With that in mind, it is easy to see why this sort of thing is worrying: what if we start sneaking more debatable things in there and aren't actually importing individuals who match "American" values so much as individuals who match specific "American" values.

Sorta the same argument that goes alongside the idea of protecting unpopular speech.

Like I said, honestly, I wouldn't mind it if done correctly. But then I'd want to be God-King of America so the country could be run right.
 
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jmilum wrote:
Sarxis wrote:
jmilum wrote:
Sarxis wrote:
jmilum wrote:
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Trump on Monday is also expected to propose creating a new, ideological test for admission to the country that would assess a candidate's stances on issues like religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. Through questionnaires, searching social media, interviewing friends and family or other means, applicants would be vetted to see whether they support American values like tolerance and pluralism.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dab801a6d01341ee8f0a52a2b41ed...

This seems problematic as Americans are divided on what those issues actually mean and what those rights define.


So you are ok with terrorists slipping by immigration authorities?

This proposed test isn't about catching terrorists. It's about only allowing immigrants that meet a certain political ideology.

What if the question was: do you support same sex marriage?

What would you answer?


Why do you think it's only about political ideology? I think you are assuming it will be that, when Trump has stated it actually is about vetting immigrants who truly do not share American values.

And as a bonus: Muslims don't support same sex marriage.

Do you?

What are the American values that will be tested?


I was born an American. Apparently, it doesn't matter what I think.
 
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