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...because if he had, this article should cost it.

It's not that Moore is the only one to claim that Trump doesn't actually want to win -- that he just did this to boost his publicity and he's been talking about it for decades just for image. Moore isn't even the first person to make the claim with certainty and to represent secret knowledge that a select group of insiders have.

But Moore wrote just a few weeks ago that Trump was going to win. Now he's writing that the reason Trump is imploding is that this was always the plan because, as connected insiders like Moore have known all along, he never even wanted to win the GOP nomination, let alone actually be President.

It's like one of those RSP threads where someone says one thing and then says that they always said something else, as though their first post isn't just sitting there.
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Yeah, I saw that one. Pretty silly to 180.
 
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On the plus side, if Trump bounces back, he can just reference the first article again and say "see, I told you so."
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eaglebeak wrote:
On the plus side, if Trump bounces back, he can just reference the first article again and say "see, I told you so."


And if he doesn't, he can reference the second article and say "see I told you so."
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The best thing about this article is that I got to see this in the sidebar:

Inconvenient Penis Is A Huge Problem For Japanese Pole Vaulter Hiroki Ogita In Rio
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damiangerous wrote:

The best thing about this article is that I got to see this in the sidebar:

Inconvenient Penis Is A Huge Problem For Japanese Pole Vaulter Hiroki Ogita In Rio


'An Inconvenient Penis' was actually the title of the Gore documentary's porn parody.

The gentleman playing the pizza guy actually made some pretty compelling points about carbon emissions before he ejaculated.
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Chad_Ellis wrote:
...because if he had, this article should cost it.

It's not that Moore is the only one to claim that Trump doesn't actually want to win -- that he just did this to boost his publicity and he's been talking about it for decades just for image. Moore isn't even the first person to make the claim with certainty and to represent secret knowledge that a select group of insiders have.

But Moore wrote just a few weeks ago that Trump was going to win. Now he's writing that the reason Trump is imploding is that this was always the plan because, as connected insiders like Moore have known all along, he never even wanted to win the GOP nomination, let alone actually be President.

It's like one of those RSP threads where someone says one thing and then says that they always said something else, as though their first post isn't just sitting there.


You should cut Moore some slack. The problem is with Trump. He's impossible to predict. I suppose you can fault Moore for trying I guess.
 
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About a month ago (right before the DNC convention) my wife asked me if DJT could win and at that time I said "yes, it is more than possible, the average voter is a uninformed idiot with a 30 second attention span." Fast forward to now and the answer is "no". In the future the idiots might again be ascendant then the answer will revert to "yes".
 
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I agree that this is pretty silly (and futile) by Moore. Has he gone downhill in recent years? I thought Bowling for Columbine was interesting, and although his style is a bit meh, I think he has made valid points in other films he's made. But I can't say I have more than a casual knowledge of his ouvre.
 
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Chad_Ellis wrote:
...because if he had, this article should cost it.

It's not that Moore is the only one to claim that Trump doesn't actually want to win -- that he just did this to boost his publicity and he's been talking about it for decades just for image. Moore isn't even the first person to make the claim with certainty and to represent secret knowledge that a select group of insiders have.

But Moore wrote just a few weeks ago that Trump was going to win. Now he's writing that the reason Trump is imploding is that this was always the plan because, as connected insiders like Moore have known all along, he never even wanted to win the GOP nomination, let alone actually be President.

It's like one of those RSP threads where someone says one thing and then says that they always said something else, as though their first post isn't just sitting there.


You should cut Moore some slack. The problem is with Trump. He's impossible to predict. I suppose you can fault Moore for trying I guess.


Trump is impossible to predict. Voters aren't.
 
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Ed_the_Red wrote:
I agree that this is pretty silly (and futile) by Moore. Has he gone downhill in recent years? I thought Bowling for Columbine was interesting, and although his style is a bit meh, I think he has made valid points in other films he's made. But I can't say I have more than a casual knowledge of his ouvre.


He seems to be struggling for relevancy since his career plateaued around the time of 'Fahrenheit 9/11.' His last several films have grossed relatively little money, which suggest he's lost most of his popular appeal As the OP noted, he's pissed away most of his credibility over the years with his propaganda-style film-making and ad hominem retorts to criticism. I mean, I probably agree with a large portion of his politics, but I find him rather annoying and, frankly, often counter-productive. (That said, I genuinely enjoyed Roger & Me and admit it hit me in the gut like a rocket.)

Unlike a, say, Dinesh D'Souza, Moore's audience seems to actually have a limit on the amount of duplicitous, pandering tripe they're willing to ingest. I think it's similar to the difficulties Air America had in finding an audience, and why MSNBC usually gets poor ratings compared to FOX. Whatever their sins may be, liberals don't seem to have the same need to have loud, smug assholes flatter their prejudices all day.
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eaglebeak wrote:
Ed_the_Red wrote:
I agree that this is pretty silly (and futile) by Moore. Has he gone downhill in recent years? I thought Bowling for Columbine was interesting, and although his style is a bit meh, I think he has made valid points in other films he's made. But I can't say I have more than a casual knowledge of his ouvre.


He seems to be struggling for relevancy since his career plateaued around the time of 'Fahrenheit 9/11.' His last several films have grossed relatively little money, which suggest he's lost most of his popular appeal As the OP noted, he's pissed away most of his credibility over the years with his propaganda-style film-making and ad hominem retorts to criticism. I mean, I probably agree with a large portion of his politics, but I find him rather annoying and, frankly, often counter-productive. (That said, I genuinely enjoyed Roger & Me and admit it hit me in the gut like a rocket.)

Unlike a, say, Dinesh D'Souza, Moore's audience seems to actually have a limit on the amount of duplicitous, pandering tripe they're willing to ingest. I think it's similar to the difficulties Air America had in finding an audience, and why MSNBC usually gets poor ratings compared to FOX. Whatever their sins may be, liberals don't seem to have the same need to have loud, smug assholes flatter their prejudices all day.


Because they hate outsourcing what they can do for themselves?
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D'Souza has a higher percentage of smug asshole than almost any other living breathing human being. I watched "A World Without America" the other day because I like alternate history. The alt history part was over in the first few minuets then it was an hour plus of: unrebutted-cherry picked-hyperbolic Democrat bashing-half assed apologetics. It's like a fatal car crash I keep watching because I couldn't make myself look the other way. To hear the effluence coming out of his mouth is akin to having a class in astrophysics taught by a young earth creationist. Heck Moore is a Junior Leaguer by comparison.
 
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Chad Ellis already has no credibility...


Chad_Ellis wrote:
...because if he had, this article should cost it.

It's not that Moore is the only one to claim that Trump doesn't actually want to win -- that he just did this to boost his publicity and he's been talking about it for decades just for image. Moore isn't even the first person to make the claim with certainty and to represent secret knowledge that a select group of insiders have.

But Moore wrote just a few weeks ago that Trump was going to win.
Michael Moore stated some three weeks ago that Donald Trump "[had] an excellence chance of winning."


[q="Chad_Ellis"]Now he's writing that the reason Trump is imploding is that this was always the plan because, as connected insiders like Moore have known all along, he never even wanted to win the GOP nomination, let alone actually be President.

It's like one of those RSP threads where someone says one thing and then says that they always said something else, as though their first post isn't just sitting there.

Wrong! Michael Moore's theory was confirmed in part by Ohio Republican Gov. John Kasich a week ago in a Vanity Fair interview that one of Donald Trump's sons (Donald Trump, Jr.) had contacted him about considering becoming Trump's Vice Presidential running mate.


> Excerpts from the August 7, 2016 Vanity Fair news story by Tina Nguyen entitled:

John Kasich Confirms That Trump Campaign Approached Him For Vice Presidential Slot -- And That He Still Doesn't Like Trump



Ohio governor John Kasich, one of Donald Trump’s most vocal critics, confirmed a report that the man who had viciously attacked him as a sloppy and a poor governor had been interested in making Kasich a very powerful vice president.

The New York Times reported in July that prior to Mike Pence being picked, Trump’s son, Donald Trump, Jr., had called a Kasich aide and promised to put the possible future Vice President in charge of all domestic and foreign policy. Trump, himself, would be in charge of “making America great again.”

“I myself never personally got a call. Apparently my aides did,” Kasich told Jake Tapper on CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday, saying that an aide had relayed the report to him and it still seemed unbelievable.

Asked whether he would have seriously considered it, Kasich said he was never tempted, and joked he might be “the worst vice president in the world.”

“I might have agreed to be George Washington's vice president,” he allowed. “But I got the second best job in the country. You know…governor of Ohio.”

Kasich is one of the few Republican presidential candidates who refused to endorse Trump and continued telling CNN's Jake Tapper that he still wasn’t sure whether he would even vote Republican in this election.

Kasich, who chose not to attend the Republican National Convention despite the fact that it took place in his own home state, said that he did not regret his decision. “If I wasn't prepared to go there and get up and endorse a nominee, I just thought it was inappropriate to go into that convention hall.”

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Essentially, Donald Trump apparently intends to delegate the actual main responsibilities of the Presidency to own his Vice President while he himself would be doing whatever(?) in order to "make America great again".

That does NOT sound like somebody who seriously wants to be President. Indeed, it says enough that Trump apparently never expected to win the GOP Presidential primaries to begin with.

Those revelations nonetheless further destroyed Trump's credibility.


The Young Turks summarized it best.





 
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