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Tucson's big weekend convention, RinCon, is almost here! It's Friday through Sunday, Sept 30 - Oct 2. For information and to register, check out http://rincongames.com/.

For anyone already registered, sign-ups for games and events went live last night, so get in there and start planning out your weekend: https://rincon2016.sched.org/. There's some great stuff on there and I'm guessing more will be added in the coming weeks. There's also plenty of open gaming if you don't see what you want on there.
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Thanks for the information Mike! Looking forward the con!
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Thanks! I signed up and purchased a ticket for Saturday. Looking forward to it.
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I signed up for the whole weekend! Should be fun and a nice precursor to BGG CON!
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I am attending for the first time with my son. He is very excited to participate in the RPG's in the Kids Track program since the old man does not play RPGs. I will be looking to jump into some Ameritrash goodness or Euros with a theme. I have a weakness for Scythe. Can't believe I didn't back that one.
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edparkmike1 wrote:
I am attending for the first time with my son. He is very excited to participate in the RPG's in the Kids Track program since the old man does not play RPGs. I will be looking to jump into some Ameritrash goodness or Euros with a theme. I have a weakness for Scythe. Can't believe I didn't back that one.


We moved a couple events out of kids track into the main gaming area. Depending on the age of your son, he should also check out the RPG offerings in the main gaming space - in particular "Treasure of the Broken Hoard" which is Characters of Level 1-2, optimized for 1st

https://rincon2016.sched.org/?s=broken+hoard
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Thanks Becky. My son is 9 and has not participated in any RPG's before. RPG's in the kidtrack with other children appeal to him. We can always stop by to see if he is interested and if the GM is ok with a kid participating.
 
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Just as a heads up, I bought a kids track weekend registration for my son and had him signed up for a non-kids X-Wing tournament. I just got an email from one of the rincon organizers clarifying that he would need a full registration to participate in non-kids track events. I wasn't aware of this until now (I just figured that was the registration price for kids 12 and under and they could play in any games) and figured I'd post here since it seemed relevant to this discussion.
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That's a bit disappointing to hear Mike. Adults must being getting scared of your prodigy...
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MikeTuna wrote:
Just as a heads up, I bought a kids track weekend registration for my son and had him signed up for a non-kids X-Wing tournament. I just got an email from one of the rincon organizers clarifying that he would need a full registration to participate in non-kids track events. I wasn't aware of this until now (I just figured that was the registration price for kids 12 and under and they could play in any games) and figured I'd post here since it seemed relevant to this discussion.

That doesn't seem right. Are they changing that? That should just be the kids' price, without limitation. Not cool.
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dshortdesign wrote:
MikeTuna wrote:
Just as a heads up, I bought a kids track weekend registration for my son and had him signed up for a non-kids X-Wing tournament. I just got an email from one of the rincon organizers clarifying that he would need a full registration to participate in non-kids track events. I wasn't aware of this until now (I just figured that was the registration price for kids 12 and under and they could play in any games) and figured I'd post here since it seemed relevant to this discussion.

That doesn't seem right. Are they changing that? That should just be the kids' price, without limitation. Not cool.


I don't think they'll change it - I didn't push back or ask them to. I don't feel that they clearly communicated the limitations of that registration but it is labeled as a "Kids Track" ticket so if they want to impose that restriction I guess that's their choice. I think it will hard to enforce live at the con, so it's odd that they're choosing to enforce it with pre-reg signups, but again, that's their call. I do understand the position of wanting to have something in place to keep kids from running all over (which I appreciate), but I just assumed as long as they were with parents they could participate in the full con. Oh well - Kyle was on the fence about the tournament anyway so I'll likely just drop him back to Sunday-only.
 
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MikeTuna wrote:
dshortdesign wrote:
MikeTuna wrote:
Just as a heads up, I bought a kids track weekend registration for my son and had him signed up for a non-kids X-Wing tournament. I just got an email from one of the rincon organizers clarifying that he would need a full registration to participate in non-kids track events. I wasn't aware of this until now (I just figured that was the registration price for kids 12 and under and they could play in any games) and figured I'd post here since it seemed relevant to this discussion.

That doesn't seem right. Are they changing that? That should just be the kids' price, without limitation. Not cool.


I don't think they'll change it - I didn't push back or ask them to. I don't feel that they clearly communicated the limitations of that registration but it is labeled as a "Kids Track" ticket so if they want to impose that restriction I guess that's their choice. I think it will hard to enforce live at the con, so it's odd that they're choosing to enforce it with pre-reg signups, but again, that's their call. I do understand the position of wanting to have something in place to keep kids from running all over (which I appreciate), but I just assumed as long as they were with parents they could participate in the full con. Oh well - Kyle was on the fence about the tournament anyway so I'll likely just drop him back to Sunday-only.


Did you mention how you feel about it to them at all? What was the response?
 
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dshortdesign wrote:
Did you mention how you feel about it to them at all? What was the response?


I explained my assumptions about the kids registration and that we would likely drop out of the tourney. I just emailed a bit ago so no response yet. I'm actually fine with their policy of that's the way they want to do it, I just think they could have provided better clarity about what the kids track registration includes. It really doesn't affect me significantly but for other families it could have a bigger impact on plans which is why I brought it up here. I like the idea of kids being cheaper in general, and it makes sense since it assumes there will be at least one additional adult registration. However, if they just want to offer a cheaper ticket for the limited kids track and a full price ticket for the full con, regardless of age, that's really not much different from previous years since they've never had a kids discount option. Again, I just assumed kids overall were cheaper since they were making a big deal about it this year. It would be cool to see a general kids discount and maybe even a family price - something like $100 for 2 adults and up to 4 kids.
 
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My view is slightly different.

I have three kids. I love kids. My youngest is a gamer. God Bless her. But I really don't want to sign up for an event and play against kids. That's why I like the "Kids track." I know if I sign up for that I will be playing against/with kids. Fun. If I sign up for a 2-3 hour gaming session, part of what I enjoy is the game. But I also enjoy adult conversations, witty banter (or in Mike's case, "Semi-Witty" banter) etc etc. Kids are often great, and many of them would be great in any game. But others are obnoxious and/or whiny and when you are setting a general policy, there is no way to distinguish. I've had games ruined by obnoxious kids and my gaming time is pretty precious (as in I don't get to game much), so I am okay with distinguishing between a kids track pass and a regular pass).

All that said, I have no doubt Mike's kids would be a blast to play X-Wing against.

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FezAZ wrote:
I have three kids. I love kids. My youngest is a gamer. God Bless her. But I really don't want to sign up for an event and play against kids. That's why I like the "Kids track." I know if I sign up for that I will be playing against/with kids. Fun. If I sign up for a 2-3 hour gaming session, part of what I enjoy is the game. But I also enjoy adult conversations, witty banter (or in Mike's case, "Semi-Witty" banter) etc etc. Kids are often great, and many of them would be great in any game. But others are obnoxious and/or whiny and when you are setting a general policy, there is no way to distinguish. I've had games ruined by obnoxious kids and my gaming time is pretty precious (as in I don't get to game much), so I am okay with distinguishing between a kids track pass and a regular pass).


Yes, I can totally see this argument (and largely agree with it) and I'm assuming that's a big part of why they set it up the way they did. They want adult gamers to be able to relax and enjoy games without kids smacking into tables or getting bored 10 minutes in. Requiring parental supervision helps, but it's still very tricky to find that balance of being family-friendly without turning a game con into a playground. Having said that, I've played with some kids who are impressively less obnoxious than some adults, so there's no guarantee.

And you're being incredibly kind with "semi-witty". I would go "witty-ish" at best.
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It has come to our attention that there have been some miscommunications and/or misunderstandings regarding how our new Kids' Track tickets and programming work at RinCon. We heartily apologize for any lack of clarity in our materials. Here's the scoop:

1. We absolutely welcome kids 6 and over to come and play games with us at RinCon, and want parents to get to do the same, with or without their mini-gamers by their side at every moment. :-) Our desire is to welcome the next generation of gamers, at the same time as allowing their parents to have some time to play games that would be too long or complex for their kids, or just not to their tastes.

2. In order to do this in a way that doesn't disrupt the gaming experience of other con attendees, we created the Kids' Track room and associated ticket prices, with separate programming in a separate space. The games being hosted there are tailored to younger players, and there are also some crafts-based events scattered through the weekend. For safety and logistical reasons, at least two adults are scheduled to be present in the room at all times.

3. Younger gamers (ages 6-12) who have Kids' Track tickets can also participate in events on our regular gaming floor, under the direct supervision of a parent or guardian, the same as in previous years. This means that the adult does have to either be signed up to play in the same game, or physically with their child throughout the event. We recognize that many of the next generation of gamers are excellent and courteous players who are a joy to sit across the table from, and we applaud you all for raising the next awesome generation of hobbyists, but for reasons of liability and crowd control, we do need to have parents/guardians present.

4. A child over 12 years of age needs to have a regular ticket, but may certainly participate in Kids' Track programming if an event there catches their eye.

5. The co-op program for Kids' Track gamers works as follows: A parent who wishes to participate in the drop-off program (where their child(ren) stay in the Kids' Track room while they go back to the main gaming floor) needs to sign up for two hours of volunteer time in the Kids' Track room at some point during the weekend. This may include signing up to play in a game along with their child, or signing up to run a game in the Kids' Track room, with the understanding that they are there to help with crowd control as well as enjoying themselves with their kiddo.

In short, we want you to bring your mini-gamers!!! It's a joy to watch their minds assimilate strategic play or learn to interact in character with a GM's creation, and we want to foster this. On behalf of the all-volunteer staff of RinCon, we look forward to seeing you there!
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I am very grateful to the VOLUNTEERS who have made this event a possibility for my son and I to attend. Thank you for investing so much of your time into making this happen.


SapphireSpyder wrote:
It has come to our attention that there have been some miscommunications and/or misunderstandings regarding how our new Kids' Track tickets and programming work at RinCon. We heartily apologize for any lack of clarity in our materials. Here's the scoop:

1. We absolutely welcome kids 6 and over to come and play games with us at RinCon, and want parents to get to do the same, with or without their mini-gamers by their side at every moment. :-) Our desire is to welcome the next generation of gamers, at the same time as allowing their parents to have some time to play games that would be too long or complex for their kids, or just not to their tastes.

2. In order to do this in a way that doesn't disrupt the gaming experience of other con attendees, we created the Kids' Track room and associated ticket prices, with separate programming in a separate space. The games being hosted there are tailored to younger players, and there are also some crafts-based events scattered through the weekend. For safety and logistical reasons, at least two adults are scheduled to be present in the room at all times.

3. Younger gamers (ages 6-12) who have Kids' Track tickets can also participate in events on our regular gaming floor, under the direct supervision of a parent or guardian, the same as in previous years. This means that the adult does have to either be signed up to play in the same game, or physically with their child throughout the event. We recognize that many of the next generation of gamers are excellent and courteous players who are a joy to sit across the table from, and we applaud you all for raising the next awesome generation of hobbyists, but for reasons of liability and crowd control, we do need to have parents/guardians present.

4. A child over 12 years of age needs to have a regular ticket, but may certainly participate in Kids' Track programming if an event there catches their eye.

5. The co-op program for Kids' Track gamers works as follows: A parent who wishes to participate in the drop-off program (where their child(ren) stay in the Kids' Track room while they go back to the main gaming floor) needs to sign up for two hours of volunteer time in the Kids' Track room at some point during the weekend. This may include signing up to play in a game along with their child, or signing up to run a game in the Kids' Track room, with the understanding that they are there to help with crowd control as well as enjoying themselves with their kiddo.

In short, we want you to bring your mini-gamers!!! It's a joy to watch their minds assimilate strategic play or learn to interact in character with a GM's creation, and we want to foster this. On behalf of the all-volunteer staff of RinCon, we look forward to seeing you there!
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Excellent summary. I am not bringing any ittle ones but this clears up what the kids track is. Thank you.
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Tony, thanks for clearing up the questions on kid participation and the Kids Track. It was very helpful!
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