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I don't know when we can expect the game in Europe, was looking for a copy on BGG market and stumbled upon:

https://boardgamegeek.com/geekmarket/product/988195

so just a total ripoff or are these normal prices for the game until it gets out in the wild?
 
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It's profiteering. The publisher sold less than 200 copies at Gencon, their hope was to get them to early adopters who were eager to play, but some of them were scooped up by scalpers who saw a profit opportunity. There aren't going to be many of those, so, realistically, the price will be very high.
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I'm going to say it's reasonable.

"What?!?!"

Here's the deal: at that price you're paying full MSRP for the game, plus probably $20 S&H, and then you're paying for the privilege of not having to wait an extra month or two for the game to come out. Maybe three months! Maybe a year!

But by this time next year, copies of this game will be easy to get for less than $70, and maybe sooner, maybe even by Christmas.

At that price I can wait, but that seller is betting somebody out there can't wait at that price. Or maybe they're hoping there'll be a huge demand and somebody will snag it after the first printing sells out. Either way, more power to them.
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Unless you plan on playing it today, just wait for the actual release. September-ish? Maybe October.

These people are taking advantage of the fact they were there at GenCon as a VIG when the company only were able to air-ship about 150 copies (production is still ongoing). It sucks but it's not like PHG has any way to sniff out resellers before the fact.
 
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Yeah they should make customers at Gen Con rip open their package on the spot before purchasing...
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Nofunatalll wrote:
Yeah they should make customers at Gen Con rip open their package on the spot before purchasing...


250 $ is a total rip-off. Just wait a couple of weeks. Most major German online retailers have listed the game for waaaaay under 100 Euros with an availability in September.
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Nofunatalll wrote:
Yeah they should make customers at Gen Con rip open their package on the spot before purchasing...

... and name the sample adviser card in the rulebook (in ink) in the case of SeaFall. Make it undeniably obvious that the game is "used".

(And it's looking to me as though October is more likely for non-preorder retail -- not sure about Europe.)

So if you're desperate to play, I guess you can pay to do so. But you'd also be feeding the trolls.
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Nofunatalll wrote:
Yeah they should make customers at Gen Con rip open their package on the spot before purchasing...


I do this already to try and snag an autograph from the developers. I also have never tried to sell games after buying them at Gen Con. It makes sense that people would want to try and sell something that has a low supply while they can. It's basic economics. It's not something I'd do though since I'd be wanting to play the game so bad.
 
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Nofunatalll wrote:
Yeah they should make customers at Gen Con rip open their package on the spot before purchasing...


Hah! This is actually a pretty good idea!
 
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DaviddesJ wrote:
It's profiteering. The publisher sold less than 200 copies at Gencon, their hope was to get them to early adopters who were eager to play, but some of them were scooped up by scalpers who saw a profit opportunity. There aren't going to be many of those, so, realistically, the price will be very high.
You mean it is a supply and demand related situation?
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No one can make you pay a ridiculous price unless you want to.

I once sold a copy of Antiquity for $450. The guys friends and I told him the price was too high but he insisted that it wasn't and he forced me to take his money.
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Are you sure it's not an *ahem* pirated copy?
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Nofunatalll wrote:
I don't know when we can expect the game in Europe, was looking for a copy on BGG market and stumbled upon:

https://boardgamegeek.com/geekmarket/product/988195

so just a total ripoff or are these normal prices for the game until it gets out in the wild?
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People. Stop. Get ahold of yourself. It's a cardboard box full of cardboard. It is not worth this outrageous amount. Stop perpetuating scalpers ability to rip people off. Self control is a gift, use it, save money.
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Nofunatalll wrote:
Yeah they should make customers at Gen Con rip open their package on the spot before purchasing...

I don't think that would affect the price much. For this kind of game, NIS is really just a proxy for "not dinged up from play or otherwise damaged" but if people knew the situation (of people being required to open it on the spot) and the seller included pictures and represented it wasn't played, I can't see much of a dropoff. People are just desperate to play the game and there are so many in the hobby now, including people for whom $200+ isn't really that much to blow for the privilege of playing this game early in their group (or people for whom it is a lot but who are making a huge sacrifice to get this, though I suspect the number in that group is quite small).

No offense to this game (Daviau is pretty great), but once they get production ramped up it has "Black Friday sale" written all over it to me just based on past experience. Won't stop people from paying the prices for early access though. :)
 
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People. Stop. Get ahold of yourself. It's a cardboard box full of cardboard. It is not worth this outrageous amount. Stop perpetuating scalpers ability to rip people off. Self control is a gift, use it, save money.


It's not, it's an experience. If it's just carboard it's not worth $60 either.

People will value that experience at what they see fit. Would I spend that much on it? No.

But then, what if I had a group of friends I don't see much, that get together for just one week a year to play board games. And in the past we've marathoned Risk Legacy and Pandemic Legacy. But waiting for retail means we won't get to play it this year. Would it maybe be worth us all chipping in $50 so we can have the experience we wanted? Might well be.

Equally maybe someone is just really excited about the game and rich. $450 is just money, it's just something printed on bits of paper after all.
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Mixo wrote:
Nofunatalll wrote:
Yeah they should make customers at Gen Con rip open their package on the spot before purchasing...


250 $ is a total rip-off. Just wait a couple of weeks. Most major German online retailers have listed the game for waaaaay under 100 Euros with an availability in September.


Yeah I just pre ordered a copy for $43
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martimer wrote:
DaviddesJ wrote:
It's profiteering. The publisher sold less than 200 copies at Gencon, their hope was to get them to early adopters who were eager to play, but some of them were scooped up by scalpers who saw a profit opportunity. There aren't going to be many of those, so, realistically, the price will be very high.
You mean it is a supply and demand related situation?


Not quite -- there will be plenty of supply eventually. It's more that the business decided to release a few early copies to promote the game.

In a functional supply and demand situation, the high prices will lead to more of the item being produced -- which will be a good thing since it will satisfy that excess demand. Here, there are already more copies being printed, so the high prices don't serve a useful economic benefit.

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karat wrote:
Here, there are already more copies being printed, so the high prices don't serve a useful economic benefit.


In theory, the high prices should move the games to the people who value them the most. If it's worth $400 to me to have the game now rather than in a month, and it's only worth $40 to you, then you can sell your copy to me for MSRP+$200 and we're both happier.

However, it would be even better if the publisher could just find the people who want the game the most and sell it directly to them, rather than have scalpers jump in the middle to grab the few copies and jack up the price.
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Nofunatalll wrote:
Yeah they should make customers at Gen Con rip open their package on the spot before purchasing...


That would certainly reduce the opportunity for price gouging. They also could've pulled the metal coins and sold the game for a bit less (since they could sell the coins separately--they're the nicest coins I've ever seen and I plan to buy several sets.) The lack of shrink and the lack of coins would make the first 150 sets worth a lot less to scalpers.

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KWagle wrote:
Nofunatalll wrote:
Yeah they should make customers at Gen Con rip open their package on the spot before purchasing...


That would certainly reduce the opportunity for price gouging. They also could've pulled the metal coins and sold the game for a bit less (since they could sell the coins separately--they're the nicest coins I've ever seen and I plan to buy several sets.) The lack of shrink and the lack of coins would make the first 150 sets worth a lot less to scalpers.

~ Kiran <entropy@prismnet.com>


I was under the impression that the metal coins at GenCon WERE being sold separately, and the preorders from PlaidHat were the only ones getting them for free.
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DaviddesJ wrote:
It's profiteering. The publisher sold less than 200 copies at Gencon, their hope was to get them to early adopters who were eager to play, but some of them were scooped up by scalpers who saw a profit opportunity. There aren't going to be many of those, so, realistically, the price will be very high.


Yes. It's almost as if they sailed over to one island, harvested some cubes of (ex-)wood, moved them to another island, and offloaded them for gold, or something ...
 
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Triboluminous wrote:
DaviddesJ wrote:
It's profiteering. The publisher sold less than 200 copies at Gencon, their hope was to get them to early adopters who were eager to play, but some of them were scooped up by scalpers who saw a profit opportunity. There aren't going to be many of those, so, realistically, the price will be very high.


Yes. It's almost as if they sailed over to one island, harvested some cubes of (ex-)wood, moved them to another island, and offloaded them for gold, or something ...

So ... basically Gencon was a giant demo of the Traders Guild? They even used an advisor:

Renowned Game Designer Rob Daviau

Trade: +138 boxes; must be resolved in 30 minutes or less
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I almost feel bad for that scalper. Paying high price for a game they never planned to play and probably won't break even when everyone starts buying for cheaper online.
 
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StarryAqua wrote:
I almost feel bad for that scalper. Paying high price for a game they never planned to play and probably won't break even when everyone starts buying for cheaper online.


The game won't be available for a while. Much like Vast. My friend bought a copy at Gen Con, he could sell it now and buy two copies in March. But that's a long time from now.
 
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