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Patrick Cutter
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Curufea wrote:
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lol. Same answer I received last year.
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cutter9999 wrote:
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lol. Same answer I received last year.


And we could be having the same conversation next year. LOL!
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Five days ago Emil wrote on the kickstarter comments:

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Update is on the way. I'd just really like to add the pictures with some of the dice, which I've been promised for this Monday.
There's also update on the shipping process and a few more things.
Best regards Emil


Two days ago Emil wrote:

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Guys, I'm so sorry my update is late - but I've come down with a hard cold.. so I'm fighting just to keep the inbox, the work and my nose in check. I'll bring you news asap..


No more news yet.


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TheDarkKnight wrote:
cutter9999 wrote:
Curufea wrote:
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lol. Same answer I received last year.


And we could be having the same conversation next year. LOL!


Why anything is possible, we've seen a HUGE amount of progress from where we were last year. As far as I know, the game is almost entirely printed. Last year, I think almost nothing was printed.
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Im confused. I just ordered this from their website last night and it charged me.

Is the game not printed yet?!

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Not entirely printed, yet.
 
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Well...I dont mind paying ahead for a game but I feel like the website should mention you are buying a product that is not out yet.

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Last time I checked that was noted.
 
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Your right, there is a Delivery date in the scroll down window. Didnt spot it before. My mouse wheel goes right past it quite easily.

Anyway Im glad the game is almost out and look forward to it.

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Hi Tom and Martin,

Thanks for keeping up to date with the production.
I've been told the final piece is for delivery next week, so then we should be able to start shipping the base game.
The manufacturer has in general not be fair towards me and the promised deadlines, but there's more to it than that... lessons learned for the future.

It's without a doubt much closer to a completion than ever before - and I'm hopeful for the near future

Best regards Emil
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Well at least we know one reason why I never went in to the game publishing world - Printers. I have never heard of a profession that swindles more of its customers by not following a contract than any other business, including housing contractors.
 
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Wouldn't this be something you would figure out before doing a kickstarter?
 
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cutter9999 wrote:
Wouldn't this be something you would figure out before doing a kickstarter?


Would you?
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cutter9999 wrote:
Wouldn't this be something you would figure out before doing a kickstarter?
As I understand it you cannot really predict what a printer will do "wrong". You have delays, insufficient print runs (some never appear at all), defective components (mis cuts, mis prints and color mis-matching) as well as wrong paper and finish issues. I have heard of printers who charge extra (above the contracted amount) and hold print runs hostage.

I think most publishers have dealt with it enough that a "printer fuck up factor" is calculated in, but it is much like a retail mark up - more art than science.
 
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Victor Mancha wrote:
cutter9999 wrote:
Wouldn't this be something you would figure out before doing a kickstarter?


Would you?


Yes, in order to make an educated determination as to a reasonable delivery date. I can see a 6-12 month delay due to printer 'shenanigans'. However, a multi-year delay is most likely due to the designer not developing a full or practical plan.....or using, cheap unreliable companies for the printing. Just my two cents worth.
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And as ever, a valuable contribution to ongoing discussions
 
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I may be getting this project confused with another but I do believe that somewhere in the updates an apology for the mis-steps in the project was submitted along with some explanations.
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@Patrick > I know the frustration you've felt seeing all these delays.. and if I could go back in time and advice myself against some decisions and a fair chunk of people related to production, I'd be a happy fella.

Unfortunately it's been a rougher ride than any of us would have liked. But hopefully I've been as up front about my/our situation as I could be. And it'll be a long and comprehensive book I can write on how to "not" do things.

While I can blame the manufacturer for quite a bit in this case - it's plainly simple also my own underestimation of the amount of time needed for creating such a variety of models...

It just really gets to me - when I can see that the manufacturer some times handles several models per week, and then suddenly goes into hiding for 2-3 week.
I could have been their most loyal customer for many years to come - but being treated like this, have scared me away from any future collaboration I'm afraid.

We have a saying in Denmark that goes along the lines of... "Injuries make you wise, but not rich"

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In general - and I can say that to almost all of my backers, people following me and the game here, Facebook and so on - I'm thankful for the very positive tone and respect people have showed, and I can't wait to have the game out in your hands where it belongs
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Was curious what the latest status update is. I didn't back the KS but did pre-order. At one point it sounded like it was shipping in Sept/Oct range.

I'm in no big hurry but was interested in an update. Thanks!
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Hi Scott,

I've received word that the d8 was finished, and I'm waiting for the confirmation on the d4 which has been in production a day or two, and then the d6. All custom made for the game.
But they should be close.. so I expect that next update (this weekend) will leave me with some more precise shipping dates, very close at hand.

Thank you for keeping an eye on it all - and for the continue support and interest,

Oh man... the mail that will confirm shipping has begun.. *sigh*

Best regards Emil
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Out of curiosity, what is unique about the dice that required them to be custom?
 
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The size.

They are not something you can find in regular production.

Of course it would have saved a lot of time if they were standard, but that would have distorted the proportions of the Dieships by a wide margin.
So they had to be custom made to "fit the game".

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I know, it's simply a hard lesson learned, to have both custom dice and figures in your first game, and have them be dependent on each other too - even harder.

Have a good day Ben
Best regards Emil
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When will the STL files be available for those who have the Print-n-Play?

Put a lot together already but wanted to wait to make the ships and not the cardboard ones in the file.
 
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