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Mike Gasch
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Is there a ballpark price point that FF has stated for this starter box?
 
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$99
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FFG has said MSRP is $99.99

They have also said that gamers may want to purchase up to 3 core sets to build and play with full armies, so one may be looking at a price point of $299.97 for the full experience.
 
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I haven't seen anyone say three sets. The closest thing I've found is the statement that one box is approximately 1/2 of a full sized army. But even then you wouldn't want to buy multiple boxes because you'd probably rather buy different models or get different cards from the blisters.

Do you have a source for that statement?
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dboeren wrote:
I haven't seen anyone say three sets. The closest thing I've found is the statement that one box is approximately 1/2 of a full sized army. But even then you wouldn't want to buy multiple boxes because you'd probably rather buy different models or get different cards from the blisters.

Do you have a source for that statement?


No he doesn't.

A standard game is 200 points; the starter armies cap out nearing 100 points each side.
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Until everything settles, I'd hold on multiple purchases. They may sneak core-set duplicate unit boxes with unique cards.
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Sevej wrote:
Until everything settles, I'd hold on multiple purchases. They may sneak core-set duplicate unit boxes with unique cards.


This! MiniatureMarket.com has pre-orders for ~$85. I was thinking of pre-ordering 2 set, but then I remembered the unique cards on the individual ship purchases for Armada.

On the other hand, I could see myself getting 6 of the Undead Carrion worm cavalry critters...

Great, now I am thinking of buying multiple sets again.

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The "three set" comment came from the BGG threads, which is what one user said would be needed if you wanted to build a "maxed out" Reanimates infantry unit.
 
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In one GC video I saw (I think it was a video?) they mentioned there would be alternate sculpts of some units. That makes me want to wait and see. Which is hard. I want my undead horde!
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Basing from my experience with X-wing minis, I'd like to think 2 Core Sets split between 2 players is the safest entry cost. It's been mentioned in several vids that they will have the individual units in the core set sold in individual blisters. Pretty much like what they did with X-wing.
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I predict the game will be $99 MSRP for the starter set. However, few people actually pay full MSRP.

Just know that to really play the game you will probably need more, because the starting set is likely to include the absolute minimum and be lacking in variety.

If the game is successful they will probably release figures regularly.
 
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I think the game will be good as long as it doesn't end up like X-wing where i have to buy multiple armies to get the different upgrade cards. If I have to get different expansions to get the cards to make a good force, then it will be a huge turn off to me. Other than that the game looks real fun. I can't wait to get a core set and give it a try.
 
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I'd like to think 2 Core Sets split between 2 players is the safest entry cost.

That's what I plan to do. Find someone who wants to play Waiqar, and split 2 starters with them. I get all the Daqan stuff, they get all the Waiqar stuff, and everything else we split evenly. We both get a full-sized army (more or less), for $100.
 
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I think the game will be good as long as it doesn't end up like X-wing where i have to buy multiple armies to get the different upgrade cards. If I have to get different expansions to get the cards to make a good force, then it will be a huge turn off to me. Other than that the game looks real fun. I can't wait to get a core set and give it a try.

See, that's a difficult thing to determine. On the one hand, there's an interview where a FFG rep specifically said that they are going to make it so you never have to buy cross-faction just for upgrade cards. The implication there is that all upgrades are going to be faction-specific.

But on the other hand, we've seen upgrade cards that lack any faction-identification, so we know that you can use cross-faction upgrades, which means, barring some *extremely* careful design, someone's going to want upgrade cards that come in a box outside their own faction. The alternative solution to this is to ensure that all neutral upgrades are included in at least one box for every faction.
 
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If you are an avid player with a meta, you will most-likely have to buy all the models for your army in order to have all the upgrade cards. FFG has done this with X-Wing and Armada, and it seems to be a system that works for them.
 
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If you are an avid player with a meta, you will most-likely have to buy all the models for your army in order to have all the upgrade cards. FFG has done this with X-Wing and Armada, and it seems to be a system that works for them.

The point, though, is that, in X-Wing at least, you need to buy all ships, regardless of whether they are in your faction or not. Never play imperials? Too bad. You have to buy the shuttle anyways, because it has advanced targeting systems, which are great for other ships.

The question, then, becomes: Will we be incentivized to buy all expansions for all factions, even if we have no intention of playing those factions? We hope not, for the sake of keeping the cost to play down. And like I said before, a FFG rep has stated that this is not the case, but that's at odds with what we've seen so far with neutral upgrades.
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Novacat wrote:
cmontgo2 wrote:
If you are an avid player with a meta, you will most-likely have to buy all the models for your army in order to have all the upgrade cards. FFG has done this with X-Wing and Armada, and it seems to be a system that works for them.

The point, though, is that, in X-Wing at least, you need to buy all ships, regardless of whether they are in your faction or not. Never play imperials? Too bad. You have to buy the shuttle anyways, because it has advanced targeting systems, which are great for other ships.

The question, then, becomes: Will we be incentivized to buy all expansions for all factions, even if we have no intention of playing those factions? We hope not, for the sake of keeping the cost to play down. And like I said before, a FFG rep has stated that this is not the case, but that's at odds with what we've seen so far with neutral upgrades.


Point well-taken.

Whether that will be the case or not -- that's anyone's guess, but if they are truly seeking to establish a long-running miniatures game, they ought to make sure that you don't have to buy any out-of-faction models to get all the upgrade cards. This game is going to have way too many releases for the average gamer to buy them all, and releasing upgrade cards that way would just be shitty marketing.

Unlike Armada and X-Wing, which has 2-6 releases in every wave (and is doable to buy one or two of everything) and waves released every 6 months or so, RW:MG is going to presumably have at least one new "thing" for each faction at that release schedule. If they do that with the upgrade cards, it's just gonna cause a lot of people to drop the game because they can't budget to spend that much $$$ every 3-6 months to buy everything.
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fwiw, The typical miniatures wargame model is to buy a starter set then select expansions to round out your forces, although this assumes your opponent is doing the same. If you only use units from a starter set, your resulting army may have a weakness that a well-rounded army can exploit.

Expansions are $25 each, for four figures. The expansions look faction-specific, so you won't have to buy a box of faction A if you prefer to play faction B. : https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/runewars-the-...

EDIT: Novacat.
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I fully expect that FFG, at a minimum, will require players to buy at least one copy of every product in their faction if they want to have all applicable upgrade cards. It just fits their release model and business model.

As someone pointed out in another thread, the top-winningest X-Wing player formations would require you to spend well-over $200 to kit out the whole formation. It's how FFG makes money.
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Sam and Max wrote:
Expansions are $25 each, for four figures. The expansions look faction-specific, so you won't have to buy a box of faction A if you prefer to play faction B.

That doesn't necessarily follow. The expansions have faction-specific units, but not everything in the expansion is faction-specific. There are also a number of neutral upgrade cards, which can be used with any faction. If one of these gets printed in an expansion for faction A, and it works really well for faction B, then faction B players will need to purchase faction A expansions to get the card. That increases the cost of playing the game beyond what most are willing to tolerate.
 
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ThatDeadWaffle wrote:
I think the game will be good as long as it doesn't end up like X-wing where i have to buy multiple armies to get the different upgrade cards. If I have to get different expansions to get the cards to make a good force, then it will be a huge turn off to me. Other than that the game looks real fun. I can't wait to get a core set and give it a try.

See, that's a difficult thing to determine. On the one hand, there's an interview where a FFG rep specifically said that they are going to make it so you never have to buy cross-faction just for upgrade cards. The implication there is that all upgrades are going to be faction-specific.

But on the other hand, we've seen upgrade cards that lack any faction-identification, so we know that you can use cross-faction upgrades, which means, barring some *extremely* careful design, someone's going to want upgrade cards that come in a box outside their own faction. The alternative solution to this is to ensure that all neutral upgrades are included in at least one box for every faction.


If you look at the new Command box images from the latest news announcement, you can see that both factions share the same neutral upgrade: Fortune's Dice. It has a squiggly line under the title which I think is the symbol for being unique. So it looks to me like they are keeping good on their word that you will not have to buy out-of-faction expansions for upgrades.




EDIT: I take it back. It looks like the Daqan pack gets Flank Guards, but not the Waiqar pack. Perhaps Flank Guards will be released in a Waiqar pack later on?
 
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