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The judge in the Turner case appears to have set quite the precedent.

Alas, there are no scenic dumpsters or Swedes on bikes after midnight to discuss here. I suppose we can talk about how finger rape isn't a thing. Because there probably isn't anything else concerning to discuss here, amirite?

(1) David Becker

http://deadspin.com/high-school-athlete-charged-with-sexuall...

The crime: According to court documents, Becker is accused of penetrating the victims with his finger. The police report also states that one of the victims told police she had drank vodka and had to be helped up to the bedroom.

After leaving the room, she said she received a text message from Becker at 5:13 a.m., stating “sorry, its my fault.” Another text Becker allegedly sent her about 2½ hours later says, “Very sorry about last night I was very much in the wrong and was an embarrassment ... I understand if I’m not your favorite person right now.”

The recommended sentence:
Two years in prison.

The actual sentence: Continuation of the case without a finding for two years, which will include drug testing and an evaluation for sex offender treatment. He will not have any jail time. He will not have to register as a sex offender. The offense won’t appear on his record as long as he fulfills the terms of his probation. He will receive a conviction only if he reoffends.

Attorney's statement: “He can now look forward to a productive life without being burdened with the stigma of having to register as a sex offender. The goal of this sentence was not to impede this individual from graduating high school and to go onto the next step of his life, which is a college experience. We all made mistakes when we were 17, 18, 19 years old, and we shouldn’t be branded for life with a felony offense and branded a sex offender. Putting this kid in jail for two years would have destroyed this kid’s life.”


(2) Austin James Wilkerson

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/08/colorado-college-student-con...

The crime: Austin James Wilkerson, 22, was convicted of sexually assaulting a “helpless” female student who had been drinking at a party after he reassured her friends he would take care of her. When questioned by a university investigator, Wilkerson said that he had made “repeated advances on the victim, but that she rebuffed him each time,” and that he felt “pissed off” and that she was a “fucking bitch,” according to prosecutors. He later said that the victim had responded to him “passionately.” Finally, he admitted that he “digitally and orally penetrated” the woman while he “wasn’t getting much of a response from her.”

The recommended sentence: Prison time.

The actual sentence: Two years in a jail work-release program that will allow him to attend school and work during the day and return to jail in the evening.

Judge's statement: "I’ve struggled, to be quite frank, with the idea of, ‘Do I put him in prison?’ I don’t know that there is any great result for anybody. Mr. Wilkerson deserves to be punished, but I think we all need to find out whether he truly can or cannot be rehabilitated.”
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Are you contending that jail and registering on a sex offenders list for decades or life would be the correct sentence? (Correct, in that it would result in the best result for society?)

I'm not necessarily arguing, but curious as to what you would sentence as judge with the data provided?


 
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I thought if your on the sex offender list, your probably looking at a 9mm exit as it'll pretty much preclude you from most jobs and society in general. I think that's the main commentary regarding the shorter incarceration periods at least.

edit Reread the final sentence, wtf not even registering as an offender??? WTF. I fully support getting some pitchforks on this one, hand waiving the jail if they're on the offender list is one thing, but this is just hand waiving everything.
 
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qzhdad wrote:
Are you contending that jail and registering on a sex offenders list for decades or life would be the correct sentence? (Correct, in that it would result in the best result for society?)

I'm not necessarily arguing, but curious as to what you would sentence as judge with the data provided?




Prison for at least a few years for sure. It's not like we don't send people to prison for much, much less like drug possession. I've never been a bit fan of the sex offender list myself because it makes rehabilitation difficult, but that's a general criticism of the list itself. Maybe for repeat offenders...or pedos.

I think no prison is not serving the cause of justice. It's about a lot more than rehabilitation. We punish people for retributive purposes as well.
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I thought if your on the sex offender list, your probably looking at a 9mm exit as it'll pretty much preclude you from most jobs and society in general. I think that's the main commentary regarding the shorter incarceration periods at least.


See my comment above about sex offender lists. The issue here to my mind isn't whether we should put him on a list that is unjust in certain ways, but whether either of them should get zero prison time for what was a life-changing event for the person (or persons in the case of Becker) that each of them victimized.
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I thought if your on the sex offender list, your probably looking at a 9mm exit as it'll pretty much preclude you from most jobs and society in general. I think that's the main commentary regarding the shorter incarceration periods at least.


See my comment above about sex offender lists. The issue here to my mind isn't whether we should put him on a list that is unjust in certain ways, but whether either of them should get zero prison time for what was a life-changing event for the person (or persons in the case of Becker) that each of them victimized.


Yeah, i reread their final sentences and I'm pretty appalled tbh.
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she2 wrote:
qzhdad wrote:
Are you contending that jail and registering on a sex offenders list for decades or life would be the correct sentence? (Correct, in that it would result in the best result for society?)

I'm not necessarily arguing, but curious as to what you would sentence as judge with the data provided?




Prison for at least a few years for sure. It's not like we don't send people to prison for much, much less like drug possession. I've never been a bit fan of the sex offender list myself because it makes rehabilitation difficult, but that's a general criticism of the list itself. Maybe for repeat offenders...or pedos.

I think no prison is not serving the cause of justice. It's about a lot more than rehabilitation. We punish people for retributive purposes as well.


I'll agree with that, we seem to want vengeance over justice, and continue to punish people for stuff after they have supposedly served their time.
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draxx01 wrote:
she2 wrote:
qzhdad wrote:
Are you contending that jail and registering on a sex offenders list for decades or life would be the correct sentence? (Correct, in that it would result in the best result for society?)

I'm not necessarily arguing, but curious as to what you would sentence as judge with the data provided?




Prison for at least a few years for sure. It's not like we don't send people to prison for much, much less like drug possession. I've never been a bit fan of the sex offender list myself because it makes rehabilitation difficult, but that's a general criticism of the list itself. Maybe for repeat offenders...or pedos.

I think no prison is not serving the cause of justice. It's about a lot more than rehabilitation. We punish people for retributive purposes as well.


I'll agree with that, we seem to want vengeance over justice, and continue to punish people for stuff after they have supposedly served their time.


Definitely. I think there's an analogy to depriving felons of the right to vote. If they were sentenced and served their time, then that should be the end of it.

On the other hand, these guys aren't even really doing the time they should have to begin with. I don't see any point in having them on a sex offender list unless they repeat, but the lack of punishment is just stupid. It sends a pretty clear message that they didn't do anything wrong and it was just "a mistake" as Becker's attorney put it. Let's be clear. He didn't make a "mistake". He committed a crime. A mistake would be dropping his beer on his date, not his fingers finding their way into two people's vaginas. Why these judges are having difficulty with that is beyond me.
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she2 wrote:

See my comment above about sex offender lists. The issue here to my mind isn't whether we should put him on a list that is unjust in certain ways, but whether either of them should get zero prison time for what was a life-changing event for the person (or persons in the case of Becker) that each of them victimized.


I agree with you. Two years seems about right to me. Zero prison time is an outrage.

I also agree with you about the sex offender lists. I don't think we should use them at all, but if we do, they should be reserved for repeat offenders.
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Five years would have been more appropriate in the first case; I'd say 10 years for the second case.

Frankly, as a man, I am sick of this shit. Mostly because I have daughters and the idea of them being raped almost makes me throw up. But also, because as a man, I'm tired of women looking at me while I'm walking down the street and wondering if I'm the rapist. It's just like those assholes who beat and rape their wives and children, and/or end up murdering the whole family. I'm NOT ONE OF THEM!!!

On an entirely different subject:
How do you orally penetrate a woman -- or is this legalese for forced blowjob?
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Prison for at least a few years for sure.


Prison ?!?!?! Again, you obviously are connected somehow to these rape stories in some tragic way that has clouded your judgement.

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Neither victim was at the court hearing. One did say in her victim impact statement that she did not believe jail time was needed


Perhaps you can make this your new thing, like JerBer did with the "while black" posts. oh , you could start posting all the "while drunk" posts !
 
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Oh Koldie, I can't read your post. I'm sure you had something wonderful to say here though. I can tell you were the last poster though. It must be so productive for you to show up and blargle at me about something though. You can't stop yourself apparently. Taxi drivers and self-control. Unfortunately, I can't read your post. Alas.


In other words -



Jesus, what a fucking dumb ass.
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Thank goodness the Think Of The Menz! pro-rape coalition finally weighed in. It just wouldn't be a rape discussion without their valuable input.
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She read it.


Of course she did. Although I can't imagine why any decent woman-lawyer would want to read the low-class dribblings of a mere cab driver.
 
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But then again, she's probably done reading my comments, so we can actually have an intelligent conversation.

Why is it that women and faggots can blatantly break the rules around here?

Is it no longer an unacceptable, banning offense to advertise your plonk list?

This is like the third time in recent months it's been clearly alluded to.

I'm sure no one flagged them. I know I didn't.

Has it been changed?

I guess we'll see. This post ought to get enough flags to bring the cavalry.


Using the word faggot will get you flagged for sure. And yes, the rules state:

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My assumption is that the moderators never come here and tell anyone to can it. Until they do, as evidenced by a few people being banned. So it appears to be capricious. Capricious non-moderation! Sounds like my ideal setting for mayhem and anarchy. The rules also say:

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Except when this stuff is actually okay. I assume that the ageists here don't understand what e.g. means and just decided that since age wasn't specifically spelled out then old people are fair game. In current society (as you well know) all women, all minorities, all Muslims (the only RSP acceptable religion) all trans-this and trans-that's, all manner of humans and animals that aren't white, male and/or male/not-so-white or any sexual preference other than heterosexual are free to shit anywhere they please. But if a white male who isn't fat, disabled, queer or trans or Muslim or a Hillary/Bernie supporter so much as farts, he is Hitler.

I do think there is room somewhere for a good discussion about why men are auto-criminals and women receive free drinks with their get-out-of-jail card.
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Thank goodness the Think Of The Menz! pro-rape coalition finally weighed in. It just wouldn't be a rape discussion without their valuable input.


Pro rape?

Thank you for that valuable insight.



No problem.
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"But if a white male who isn't fat, disabled, queer or trans or Muslim or a Hillary/Bernie supporter so much as farts, he is Hitler."

I'm not Hitler!

I'm Napolean!!
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Jesus, this thread went south fast.
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Jesus, this thread went south fast.
What the fuck do you expect, they have to take their stand in the "war on me" (who cannot keep their dick inside their trousers).

If women did not want to be sexually assaulted then they would wear an all over body suit and never go out unless unaccompanied by the man who owns them...

It's their own fault for not assuming all men are rapist wankers who think they have a right to sex.
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AdrianPHague wrote:
Jesus, this thread went south fast.
What the fuck do you expect, they have to take their stand in the "war on me" (who cannot keep their dick inside their trousers).

If women did not want to be sexually assaulted then they would wear an all over body suit and never go out unless unaccompanied by the man who owns them...

It's their own fault for not assuming all men are rapist wankers who think they have a right to sex.


If women didn't want to be assaulted then as the victims they would be able to afford a better class of lawyer that played golf every friday with the DA.
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AdrianPHague wrote:
Jesus, this thread went south fast.
What the fuck do you expect, they have to take their stand in the "war on me" (who cannot keep their dick inside their trousers).

If women did not want to be sexually assaulted then they would wear an all over body suit and never go out unless unaccompanied by the man who owns them...

It's their own fault for not assuming all men are rapist wankers who think they have a right to sex.


If women didn't want to be assaulted then as the victims they would be able to afford a better class of lawyer that played golf every friday with the DA.
Exactly, it's all the women, these poor men and their wicked seduction by women through the medium of not being men.

We need the kind of society that recognizes that all sex and sexuality is the fault of women (especially menstruating ones, the bastards).

First they game for our video games, I did not complain as I did not play video games.
Then they came for our sexual assaults, I did not complain as I did not sexually assault women.

Will no one protect men now, before it is toooooo LATE!
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Will no one protect men now, before it is toooooo LATE!


Relax, your lack of charisma,charm and looks will keep you safe from women.
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Koldfoot wrote:
Why is it that women and faggots can blatantly break the rules around here?
One has to wonder why alleged special treatment makes you hate gays enough to use derogatory hate speech to refer to them, but don't say "cunts" or "bitches" for women. I guess it doesn't really matter, just using "faggot" makes your rationality and logic suspect.

For example, saying that since She2 doesn't mention every other injustice related to men-women relations, the point she makes about light sentencing should be dismissed. That is a logical fallacy and has no bearing on the issue that kids who are CONVICTED (with virtual confessions) are getting light sentences. If you want to start a thread on kids wrongfully pulled into court, then by all means do it. Dismissing this one because it doesn't include your pet cause is just childish.
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jeremycobert wrote:
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Will no one protect men now, before it is toooooo LATE!


Relax, your lack of charisma,charm and looks will keep you safe from women.
Maybe, but then I am not the one who feels threatened by women who callously want men to not molest them.

Make of that what you will.
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Koldfoot wrote:
Why is it that women and faggots can blatantly break the rules around here?
One has to wonder why alleged special treatment makes you hate gays enough to use derogatory hate speech to refer to them, but don't say "cunts" or "bitches" for women.


Oh, he answered that on the first page when he said:

Koldfoot wrote:
It's cute when women try to have opinions.


You see, to him, being a woman is sufficient. Koldie doesn't need to call them names because women are so self-evidently inferior. The advantage of him using the word "faggot" is that he can insult gay people while also attempting to hurt them, by invoking a word that carries all the baggage of hundreds of years of hatred with it.

To Koldfoot: I wish I had a word to describe you that could invoke the same kind of history. I wish there was something I could call you that I knew would resonate with hundreds of your own life experiences of mistreatment, harassment, or abuse. Something that would make you remember a world that didn't want you in it, filled with people who would deny you a family or even a livelihood for no other reason than the way you were born.

But unfortunately, there is no word that would have that effect on you. There are no jokes that will so easily and casually dismiss you as you have casually dismissed women and gay people in this thread. So, this is the best I can do:

Koldie, you are just a plain, garden variety, run-of-the-mill, sad pathetic loser. And I say that not because of your race, or your religion, or your gender, or your sexual preference, but simply because of the disgusting things you say.

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