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Subject: Tanks, artillery, and anti-tank/aircraft units rss

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Ronnie Tucker
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First, am I right in thinking that tanks, artillery, and anti-tank/aircraft units never leave the beach due to shingle/barriers? I don't see any way for them to reach the roads.

Also, how do artillery/anti-tank/aircraft do combat with the German units? Does it come under barrage, or just plain vanilla combat?

Thanks!
 
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Dane P
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Tanks will not be able to cross the shingle until an Engineering base is established, which cannot happen before turn 16. So you are correct in the shorter scenarios.

There exist specific criteria for tanks/anti-tank/anti-air to fire at range. At an adjacent unit, they fire like any other infantry unit.
Indirect fire (barrages) by tanks can happen anytime (but is an action, obviously). Indirect fire by unarmored units can't happen if they are in the field of fire of enemy units. And then you get into firing indirect requiring command, and the requirements for indirect fire by unarmored units is pretty daunting.

Essentially, they often are there to give the Germans more targets at which to shoot.

In the short games, these units aren't important. In the long game, just getting indirect-capable units off the beach and onto the high ground is worth points. If you can get enough of them on shore (hard enough) and then survive long enough for engineers to arrive, engineering bases allow units in beach hexes within the base's range to move as a free action, so it becomes a lot easier to get them across the shingle, onto a road, and then as a base clears the road of mines (as its range inccreases) the units climb off the beach.

In the 50 or so games I've played of DDaoB, I think I've gotten one unarmored indirect fire mission in all my games.
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First part of the game you are correct, but they can leave the beach in the later half of the game. The engineer bases you get to deploy then let them move through the shingle and through mined roads.

Some units can barrage, some can participate in an attack, and some can do either one.
I don't know 100% which section of the rules talks about their participation in regular attacks, but I'm pretty sure it's whichever one talks about US attacks.

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Ronnie Tucker
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Heliodorus04 wrote:
Essentially, they often are there to give the Germans more targets at which to shoot.

You just described every unit in my games. laugh

Thanks for the input guys. And, yes, I'm doing the 16-turn game.
 
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ronnietucker wrote:
Also, how do artillery/anti-tank/aircraft do combat with the German units? Does it come under barrage, or just plain vanilla combat?

Of the three unit types, only artillery can barrage. The others are essentially ranged direct-fire support units that may add their attack strength and weaponry to US attacks. See rule 8.1 for information about attack requirements.

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Brastias wrote:
ronnietucker wrote:
Also, how do artillery/anti-tank/aircraft do combat with the German units? Does it come under barrage, or just plain vanilla combat?

Of the three unit types, only artillery can barrage. The others are essentially ranged direct-fire support units that may add their attack strength and weaponry to US attacks. See rule 8.1 for information about attack requirements.
The tanks can barrage too, otherwise the first few turns would be quite a lot more difficult!
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Martin Åkerlund
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Ze_German_Guy wrote:
Brastias wrote:
ronnietucker wrote:
Also, how do artillery/anti-tank/aircraft do combat with the German units? Does it come under barrage, or just plain vanilla combat?

Of the three unit types, only artillery can barrage. The others are essentially ranged direct-fire support units that may add their attack strength and weaponry to US attacks. See rule 8.1 for information about attack requirements.
The tanks can barrage too, otherwise the first few turns would be quite a lot more difficult!

That's why I wrote: "of the three unit types" (i.e. the ones mentioned in the quote). But thanks for clarifying nonetheless Niko.


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Niko
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Brastias wrote:
Ze_German_Guy wrote:
Brastias wrote:
ronnietucker wrote:
Also, how do artillery/anti-tank/aircraft do combat with the German units? Does it come under barrage, or just plain vanilla combat?

Of the three unit types, only artillery can barrage. The others are essentially ranged direct-fire support units that may add their attack strength and weaponry to US attacks. See rule 8.1 for information about attack requirements.
The tanks can barrage too, otherwise the first few turns would be quite a lot more difficult!

That's why I wrote: "of the three unit types" (i.e. the ones mentioned in the quote). But thanks for clarifying nonetheless Niko.
Whoops, I totally read "anti-tank" as "tank"... blush
 
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