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[Fox News'] genius was in recognizing the appeal of simple recognizable demons, like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, politically correct teenagers, and the remainder of America’s occult army of radical socialist secularists.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/08/the-twil...

I'm not sure I agree with the conclusions of the article, but it's an interesting look at the structure of the business, for Fox, CNN, and others.
 
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I agree with the conclusion:

All Fox News viewers are going to die.
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The sooner 24 hours cable newsertainment dies, the better.
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49xjohn wrote:

I agree with the conclusion:

All Fox News viewers are going to die.


Probably, but not necessarily always.
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I thought the (seemingly?) necessary structure for a news story was interesting--I suppose that should be story news, since it's more about telling the story you want to tell ("newsertainment") than telling the news?

I also found this interesting: "The network [Fox News] averages about 2 million viewers each week...Walter Cronkite once pulled audiences in the tens of millions [at CBS]." So, doesn't that say an unserved market exists for real news instead of story news or artificial left-right argument "debates"?
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So, one might think the audience for such a show would be in the "twenties" of millions, considering population increase and lack of competition. Just about any network would kill for those kind of ratings.
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Tall_Walt wrote:
I thought the (seemingly?) necessary structure for a news story was interesting--I suppose that should be story news, since it's more about telling the story you want to tell ("newsertainment") than telling the news?

I also found this interesting: "The network [Fox News] averages about 2 million viewers each week...Walter Cronkite once pulled audiences in the tens of millions [at CBS]." So, doesn't that say an unserved market exists for real news instead of story news or artificial left-right argument "debates"?
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So, one might think the audience for such a show would be in the "twenties" of millions, considering population increase and lack of competition. Just about any network would kill for those kind of ratings.


I find this interesting as well and even more so the next part which is how you make a billion dollars profit on 2 million average viewers.
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49xjohn wrote:

I agree with the conclusion:

All Fox News viewers are going to die.
depends if
a) jeezbus comes back first
b) the rapture happens first.
c) a and b
d) Trump wins and causes a nuclear war
e) hilary implements the death panels.
 
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Tall_Walt wrote:
I thought the (seemingly?) necessary structure for a news story was interesting--I suppose that should be story news, since it's more about telling the story you want to tell ("newsertainment") than telling the news?

I also found this interesting: "The network [Fox News] averages about 2 million viewers each week...Walter Cronkite once pulled audiences in the tens of millions [at CBS]." So, doesn't that say an unserved market exists for real news instead of story news or artificial left-right argument "debates"?
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So, one might think the audience for such a show would be in the "twenties" of millions, considering population increase and lack of competition. Just about any network would kill for those kind of ratings.


Yes but ratings cost money. Quality costs money. You can make a TV show for next to nothing anymore, the writers strike of 1988 showed us all that and FOX are the pioneers of Reality TV...or rather selling you entertainment that is void of entertainment...in this case news without any news in it. Sell someone news without news in it and the money just rolls in. As long as the ROI stays that way I doubt they care about any other demographic.
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Tall_Walt wrote:
I thought the (seemingly?) necessary structure for a news story was interesting--I suppose that should be story news, since it's more about telling the story you want to tell ("newsertainment") than telling the news?

I also found this interesting: "The network [Fox News] averages about 2 million viewers each week...Walter Cronkite once pulled audiences in the tens of millions [at CBS]." So, doesn't that say an unserved market exists for real news instead of story news or artificial left-right argument "debates"?
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So, one might think the audience for such a show would be in the "twenties" of millions, considering population increase and lack of competition. Just about any network would kill for those kind of ratings.


It's interesting, but what I think it really says is that back in the 1960s, there were three choices for national TV news, all for 30 minutes each. Hence the much higher numbers.
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49xjohn wrote:

I agree with the conclusion:

All Fox News viewers are going to die.
And new ones will be born, and the cycle of lies continues.
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Tall_Walt wrote:
I thought the (seemingly?) necessary structure for a news story was interesting--I suppose that should be story news, since it's more about telling the story you want to tell ("newsertainment") than telling the news?

I also found this interesting: "The network [Fox News] averages about 2 million viewers each week...Walter Cronkite once pulled audiences in the tens of millions [at CBS]." So, doesn't that say an unserved market exists for real news instead of story news or artificial left-right argument "debates"?
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So, one might think the audience for such a show would be in the "twenties" of millions, considering population increase and lack of competition. Just about any network would kill for those kind of ratings.


I think the internet has hurt TV news like it has hurt print news, just not to the same extent.
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49xjohn wrote:

I agree with the conclusion:

All Fox News viewers are going to die.
And new ones will be born, and the cycle of lies continues.


True, but the numbers will proceed to zero.

Can you imagine the number of enlightened children in 2016 compared to 1946? Kids these days don't give a shit about 95% of what causes the near-dead demographic to soil their diapers.
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slatersteven wrote:
49xjohn wrote:

I agree with the conclusion:

All Fox News viewers are going to die.
And new ones will be born, and the cycle of lies continues.


True, but the numbers will proceed to zero.

Can you imagine the number of enlightened children in 2016 compared to 1946? Kids these days don't give a shit about 95% of what causes the near-dead demographic to soil their diapers.
Look at the Arab world.
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Tall_Walt wrote:
I thought the (seemingly?) necessary structure for a news story was interesting--I suppose that should be story news, since it's more about telling the story you want to tell ("newsertainment") than telling the news?

I also found this interesting: "The network [Fox News] averages about 2 million viewers each week...Walter Cronkite once pulled audiences in the tens of millions [at CBS]." So, doesn't that say an unserved market exists for real news instead of story news or artificial left-right argument "debates"?
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So, one might think the audience for such a show would be in the "twenties" of millions, considering population increase and lack of competition. Just about any network would kill for those kind of ratings.


Couple things Walt -

* Most Atlantic articles are too long. They're similar to being on a blind date that lasts 4 hours when both of you realized in the first 10 minutes there was no chemistry. The first few paragraphs stank of bad chemistry.

* Even people born after the advent of CNN or later FNC understand that fewer choices available back in the 60's and 70's dictated higher audiences. Plus, TV was still novel. I didn't buy one until 1972. I rarely watched as a teen in the 60's due to jobs and the close proximity of Juarez to my house.

* My gut feeling (and it's just an opinion) is that prior to cable there were two news audiences - the TV news fans who just wanted the snapshot and were in essence looking for either confirmation of their biases or the scores and weather. Radio served them well in this regard also. The other group (my group) read books and articles in order to get informed. I subscribed to several political book clubs as well as the SF book club. I used the library and came to my personal conclusions based on what I read, not what I was told.

I think my group is better informed but by no means is it ideologically monolithic. The diversity of informed opinions and discussions available to those who are able to get beyond Hitler memes is pretty amazing. And sex with liberal chicks was hot. They were pretty ugly in comparison to conservative women but the naughty aspect was tantalizing and worth the extra bag.

* YouTube, Live Leak and other outlets provide all the exposure one might want to what Fox or MSNBC or RT one might offer, but without being subjected to the parts that offend your intelligence. For example, the Atlantic article highlighted Hannity, as if he was some sort of icon of conservatism. He's not. He's not even a player. He's a shrill hack whose entire act is repeating endlessly the same things and arguing with anyone not Godly enough. His counterpart is that smug cunt Rachael Maddow, she's gives women with butch haircuts a bad name and makes lesbians all seem like little more than ugly cows who couldn't attract a man so they turned to fellow women. Which is weird because most of us know lesbians are hot, but Maddow ruins that every time.

So I can get Dennis Miller without subjecting myself to Hannity or that weird plastic surgery reject Judge Jeanne (?). I also like the Watter's World bit because, unlike Jay Walking from the old Tonight Show, he leaves the smart people in the segments.

* News isn't journalism in this century. News is now just people talking or writing about things that are happening as they see it and edited to make it seem true to the idiots. Journalism isn't ideological and it isn't trying to convince - it's seeking the facts surrounding events of consequence or decisions that are affecting large numbers of people and relaying the facts, as witnessed or reported, to an interested audience. That's not what cable news does. Cable just repackages ideology and flings it at a segment of viewer that is comfortable with the message and who already know the punch line.

Journalism is there, in the library where they put new books on contemporary events or business or politics, etc. It's available online via blogs that don't pander and even some web sites that honestly just provide clickable lists of papers, raw unedited video or other unadulterated content.

But hell, who really reads anything that isn't fantasy or SF or written by someone selling what the reader already knows? Not many people do. RSP is a perfect example of that.

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Tall_Walt wrote:
I thought the (seemingly?) necessary structure for a news story was interesting--I suppose that should be story news, since it's more about telling the story you want to tell ("newsertainment") than telling the news?

I also found this interesting: "The network [Fox News] averages about 2 million viewers each week...Walter Cronkite once pulled audiences in the tens of millions [at CBS]." So, doesn't that say an unserved market exists for real news instead of story news or artificial left-right argument "debates"?
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So, one might think the audience for such a show would be in the "twenties" of millions, considering population increase and lack of competition. Just about any network would kill for those kind of ratings.


Walt, I just wanted to add to what Tripp said. I don't know what year you were born in but when "Walter" was delivering the news, your choice was between ABC, CBS, NBC and uhm, PBS. In Canada, we additionally had CTV and uhm, the CBC. Now, my channel numbers are in the 4 digits, including the 'Golf for Inuit Transexual Channel'. That the numbers aren't comparable is pretty obvious to me.

In the pre-cable environment the news divisions of the respective networks could be allowed to function as independent subunits not answerable to entertainment ratings. Nowadays, I watch Fox and CNN for the legs, legs, hot-damn, legs.
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Sarxis wrote:
49xjohn wrote:

I agree with the conclusion:

All Fox News viewers are going to die.


Probably, but not necessarily always.

There's new angry old people being born everyday.
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Here's an interesting article. Unfortunately, the graphs are unlinkable (created by scripts instead of just an image). This is a sub-site of Pew:

http://www.journalism.org/2016/06/15/state-of-the-news-media...

The network evening news shows--to go with the traditional news show--of the big three networks are pulling in over 23 million views, so the evening news audience is still there:

http://www.journalism.org/2016/06/15/network-news-fact-sheet...

Adweek has similar numbers:

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/evening-news-ratings-week-of-...

A lot of fact sheets out there are for Cable News Programs, pretending that the networks don't exist or don't appear on cable or something. Online, the big three networks seem to like to hide their news shows.

PBS is not especially popular, but it's hard to tell since advertisers don't care.
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This passage sums it up well:

The Atlantic wrote:
Cable news is a gerontocratic kingdom where Fox News serves as king. The median age of Americans watching CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News is over 60. Half of Fox News viewers are over the age of 68.

Television is particularly popular among men, people who didn’t go to college, and people over the age of 70, which is a great description of a predictable conservative. (Retired seniors watch more than 50 hours of television a week.) Indeed, this older male group is not only ready-made for cable-television-viewing; it comes prepackaged with extremely conservative views. Over the last three general-election cycles, the 65-and-up group voted for the GOP presidential candidate by an average of 9 percentage points.

This is Fox News’s secret sauce: not production values, personalities, or entertainment, but demography. Old men are the most dependably conservative of any age group, and old men watch the most cable news of any age group. Fox News’ core demographic—and, by the transitive property, its success—is a fortuitous alignment, the perfect captive audience for an interminable documentary of the conservative outlook on American life.
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fightcitymayor wrote:
This passage sums it up well:

The Atlantic wrote:
... Fox News’ ... success—is a fortuitous alignment ...

I don't think it's by chance any more than Trump going after the same demographic is by chance.
 
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. . . the 'Golf for Inuit Transexual Channel'.


It's gotten way too corporate for my tastes.


It's okay if yer inuit to that kinda thing.
 
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Who here actually watches Fox News? Show of hands.

In the prelude to the Iraq war, a couple of Saddam's "minions" (or some such--"cohorts"?--memory is fallible) left Iraq to go to Jordan. As I learned from other sources, they were uncles of Saddam, which given the tight family structure of Arab society was extremely significant. (They later returned and were executed with their families.) The total indifference to journalistic standards--who/what/when/where/why/how--made Faux News totally untrustworthy. I may catch the odd snippet now and then, but unless an IRL friend whose judgement I trusted said they had changed and they were now better than the myriad other sources available, I'm not going to watch. Of course, I've cut cable, so....

Guilty of murdering the truth: Executed.

(But they're still interesting in the abstract as a cultural, psychological, and demographic phenomenon.)
 
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Drew1365 wrote:
Sort of like how Hillary spilled the beans on Shahram Amiri?

As far as I know, no beans were spilled. If they didn't leave publicly (I forget) Jordanians knew who they were. Faux News wasn't shy about naming and shaming, they just omitted the important family ties so the impact of the defections were not understandable.

Drew1365 wrote:
But more importantly, do you think that only Fox ("Faux News" is such a hackneyed joke by now. Please stop) has poor journalistic standards? Or is it endemic in the industry?

(No. Obviously.) Lots of entities have "poor journalistic standards". Not all.
 
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. . . the 'Golf for Inuit Transexual Channel'.


It's gotten way too corporate for my tastes.

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