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Hi everyone,

Monopoly, originally called "The Landlord's Game," was designed to teach children about the immorality of monopolies and certain economic systems.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/business/behind-monopoly-a...

What games exist that try to do something similar about wars and conflicts?

The Grizzled focuses on "injustice and government stupidity," described much more eloquently than I can by
Geoffrey Greer https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1512861/important-game-you-...

For those much more familiar with wargames and war-themed games than me, which do you think try to teach or evoke questions about the morality of conflicts?

If there are many, perhaps this would this be better as a geeklist?
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Here we go again.shake
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I think every war with a number greater than 1 teaches us people tend to do jobs half-assed

... and a war where the number after the '-' is 10 larger than the number before teaches us people are procrastinators who take longer than needed to finish a job

.. and that nothing is as dangerous as a vegetarian in control of Germany.

I'm pretty sure those are examples of morality lessons the OP is looking for.





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Well, if you look at the top 5 war games of all time, most wargamers (especially on BGG) will say:

This War of Mine: The Board Game
Advanced Squad Leader
Combat Commander: Pacific
Paths of Glory
Victory in the Pacific

So as you can see, the number 1 wargame ever created is "This War of Mine: The Board Game" which might tickle your fancy, as it is actually themed around the idea of war having negative consequences upon the civilians.
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xmfcnrx wrote:
Here we go again.:shake:


Sorry, is there another thread where this was discussed? Links please.
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bradelli wrote:
Well, if you look at the top 5 war games of all time, most wargamers (especially on BGG) will say:

This War of Mine: The Board Game
Advanced Squad Leader
Combat Commander: Pacific
Paths of Glory
Victory in the Pacific

So as you can see, the number 1 wargame ever created is "This War of Mine: The Board Game" which might tickle your fancy, as it is actually themed around the idea of war having negative consequences upon the civilians.


This War of Mine looks very interesting - I'll check it out.

Just wondering, how is a 2016 game with 31 ratings considered in "the top 5 war games of all time [by] most wargamers (especially on BGG)"?
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Ryan Keane wrote:
bradelli wrote:
Well, if you look at the top 5 war games of all time, most wargamers (especially on BGG) will say:

This War of Mine: The Board Game
Advanced Squad Leader
Combat Commander: Pacific
Paths of Glory
Victory in the Pacific

So as you can see, the number 1 wargame ever created is "This War of Mine: The Board Game" which might tickle your fancy, as it is actually themed around the idea of war having negative consequences upon the civilians.


This War of Mine looks very interesting - I'll check it out.

Just wondering, how is a 2016 game with 31 ratings considered in "the top 5 war games of all time [by] most wargamers (especially on BGG)"?


It is based on an extremely successful video game franchise and has become the biggest hype monkey of the decade
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xmfcnrx wrote:
Here we go again.shake
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bradelli wrote:
Ryan Keane wrote:
bradelli wrote:
Well, if you look at the top 5 war games of all time, most wargamers (especially on BGG) will say:

This War of Mine: The Board Game
Advanced Squad Leader
Combat Commander: Pacific
Paths of Glory
Victory in the Pacific

So as you can see, the number 1 wargame ever created is "This War of Mine: The Board Game" which might tickle your fancy, as it is actually themed around the idea of war having negative consequences upon the civilians.


This War of Mine looks very interesting - I'll check it out.

Just wondering, how is a 2016 game with 31 ratings considered in "the top 5 war games of all time [by] most wargamers (especially on BGG)"?


It is based on an extremely successful video game franchise and has become the biggest hype monkey of the decade


Not even close.
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For those 'unawares' of this, then there is a "Peaceful Victory" resolution possible PRIOR until some 'Nuclear Strike(s)' were conducted. goo
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mlcarter815 wrote:
bradelli wrote:
Ryan Keane wrote:
bradelli wrote:
Well, if you look at the top 5 war games of all time, most wargamers (especially on BGG) will say:

This War of Mine: The Board Game
Advanced Squad Leader
Combat Commander: Pacific
Paths of Glory
Victory in the Pacific

So as you can see, the number 1 wargame ever created is "This War of Mine: The Board Game" which might tickle your fancy, as it is actually themed around the idea of war having negative consequences upon the civilians.


This War of Mine looks very interesting - I'll check it out.

Just wondering, how is a 2016 game with 31 ratings considered in "the top 5 war games of all time [by] most wargamers (especially on BGG)"?


It is based on an extremely successful video game franchise and has become the biggest hype monkey of the decade


Not even close.


What's not close - that the board game is not based closely on the video game, that the video game franchise wasn't very successful, or that it's not a monkey? I'd never heard of the video game - kind of in a black hole I guess.
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If you don't like wargames, please go away.

Thank you.
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Ryan Keane wrote:

For those much more familiar with wargames and war-themed games than me, which do you think try to teach or evoke questions about the morality of conflicts?


Don't know of any games that do that. However, Pax Britannica, a 1985 game about competition for colonies in the 1880 to 1920 period, had major negative victory point consequences for being the power that started The Great War. And Gunslinger, a 1982 game of up close and personal conflict got sufficiently graphic to give the violence an emotional impact.
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Ryan Keane wrote:
mlcarter815 wrote:
bradelli wrote:
Ryan Keane wrote:
bradelli wrote:
Well, if you look at the top 5 war games of all time, most wargamers (especially on BGG) will say:

This War of Mine: The Board Game
Advanced Squad Leader
Combat Commander: Pacific
Paths of Glory
Victory in the Pacific

So as you can see, the number 1 wargame ever created is "This War of Mine: The Board Game" which might tickle your fancy, as it is actually themed around the idea of war having negative consequences upon the civilians.


This War of Mine looks very interesting - I'll check it out.

Just wondering, how is a 2016 game with 31 ratings considered in "the top 5 war games of all time [by] most wargamers (especially on BGG)"?


It is based on an extremely successful video game franchise and has become the biggest hype monkey of the decade


Not even close.


What's not close - that the board game is not based closely on the video game, that the video game franchise wasn't very successful, or that it's not a monkey? I'd never heard of the video game - kind of in a black hole I guess.


Around 20,000 reviews from individual people on Steam, average score of 10/10. Quite simply the best war game of all time. http://store.steampowered.com/app/282070/
If you are looking for an "anti-war game", the board game adaption of one of the best video games ever devised is a sure choice.
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I like to play wargames. Anti-wargames would be the opposite of what I like.
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How about them "Origins of WW-1/WW-2/Pacific" sort then?
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Any wargame (i.e. one which makes a serious attempt at showing the
reality of war) does a far better job of showcasing the immorality
than does Monopoly.

From what I've heard, The Landlord Game had some 'digs' in it,
but they were of a nature that they wouldn't really display the
negatives as a model, but more as easily discerned propaganda which
might work on young children, but not much else.

That said, I'd push After the Holocaust as a better-than-most design
which really puts a spotlight on the negative impact of war - at least
under certain circumstances.
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JasonC wrote:

If you don't like wargames, please go away.

Thank you.


Sorry, my top 3 games are light wargames or war-themed games (Britannia, Maria, Memoir 44). Am I allowed to be here, to ask about games similar to The Grizzled? Since your profile is nearly blank with 1 game rated on BGG, am I talking to a troll?
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Warren Bruhn wrote:
Ryan Keane wrote:

For those much more familiar with wargames and war-themed games than me, which do you think try to teach or evoke questions about the morality of conflicts?


Don't know of any games that do that. However, Pax Britannica, a 1985 game about competition for colonies in the 1880 to 1920 period, had major negative victory point consequences for being the power that started The Great War. And Gunslinger, a 1982 game of up close and personal conflict got sufficiently graphic to give the violence an emotional impact.


Thanks! Pax Britannica is one I've wanted to try for a while.
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There is a series of games called "moral conflict" (Moral Conflict 1940, Moral Conflict 1939, Moral Conflict 1941) that claims to take the moral aspects of WWII into account. I haven't seen or played any of them, but you can take a look at them here at the geek.

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I haven't played it so can't know for sure but I think Up Against The Wall, Mother****er! probably presents conflict in a way that demonstrates its futility.
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A lot of counter-insurgency subject matter games do as well.

Not just the COIN series, but more detailed views like
VGs Vietnam.
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calandale wrote:
A lot of counter-insurgency subject matter games do as well.

Not just the COIN series, but more detailed views like
VGs Vietnam.


I was going to mention COIN games. Very interested in trying them. Almost bit the bullet on Falling Sky - definitely going to P500 Pendragon before the end of the year.

Vietnam 1965-1975 looks like it's probably out of my class weight-wise.
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