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You all feel the earth quake this morning, it could be felt several states away. Whats the odds it was fraking related? I am sure glad to see natural gass is supposedly more environmental friendly than other sources.
Hopefully it did no damage down there.
 
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Odds are pretty low. The USGS has said that waste water injection wells, not fracking, is a more probable cause of the uptick in Oklahoma earthquakes. The majority of those east of I-35 are centered around Jones where there are a lot of wells. Other west of I-35 are located around several waste water injection sites as well. This is the first one in the Pawnee area to my recollection.

https://www.usgs.gov/news/magnitude-56-earthquake-oklahoma
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Odds are pretty low. The USGS has said that waste water injection wells, not fracking, is a more probable cause of the uptick in Oklahoma earthquakes. The majority of those east of I-35 are centered around Jones where there are a lot of wells. Other west of I-35 are located around several waste water injection sites as well. This is the first one in the Pawnee area to my recollection.

https://www.usgs.gov/news/magnitude-56-earthquake-oklahoma


Well, right, but many of those waste water injection wells are used to hold frack waste water....
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It woke me up in Dallas this morning.
 
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I live about 100 miles from the epicenter. It was the strongest quake I've ever felt. It was like an explosion when it hit.

Is it related to fraking? I think so, I've lived here for many years and we never had a single earthquake until fraking started and since then we have several a year.
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Apparently my parents in Missouri felt it as well. Woke them up and got the dogs barking. I probably would've felt it too if I hadn't been in the depths of hungover sleep.
 
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I slept through it loke I do for every earth quake we have felt. For some reason they always happen in the morning while I am still in bed.
 
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steven1mac wrote:
You all feel the earth quake this morning, it could be felt several states away. Whats the odds it was fraking related? I am sure glad to see natural gass is supposedly more environmental friendly than other sources.
Hopefully it did no damage down there.


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-great-midwe...

The entire area is at risk for a catastrophic earthquake. The last time it changed the course of the mississippi and laid waste to entire forests.





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The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that the risk of another New Madrid-scale catastrophe in the next 50 years is about 7 to 10 percent. The risk of a smaller, though still devastating, 6.0 earthquake in the next 50 years is 25 to 40 percent. Ongoing research should help identify which areas are most in danger.

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From wikipedia, which I know is not an end all be all source, but it's a start

"A July 2013 study by US Geological Survey scientist William Ellsworth links earthquakes to wastewater injection sites. In the four years from 2010-2013 the number of earthquakes of magnitude 3.0 or greater in the central and eastern United States increased dramatically. After decades of a steady earthquake rate (average of 21 events/year), activity increased starting in 2001 and peaked at 188 earthquakes in 2011. USGS scientists have found that at some locations the increase in seismicity coincides with the injection of wastewater in deep disposal wells. Injection-induced earthquakes are thought to be caused by pressure changes due to excess fluid injected deep below the surface and are being dubbed “man-made” earthquakes.[11]"
 
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Apparently my parents in Missouri felt it as well. Woke them up and got the dogs barking. I probably would've felt it too if I hadn't been in the depths of hungover sleep.


I didn't feel it, but about that time my dog started acting all clingy getting up in my face, so I think she did.
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I didn't feel it but we were all in the car at that time, which I think must have insulated us. We feel smaller ones frequently. Earthquakes are really freaky because the force is so three dimensional
 
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I was up at 7, but we live near a bunch of railroad tracks that we can feel some vibrations from, so I didn't notice anything.
 
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okiedokie wrote:
Odds are pretty low. The USGS has said that waste water injection wells, not fracking, is a more probable cause of the uptick in Oklahoma earthquakes. The majority of those east of I-35 are centered around Jones where there are a lot of wells. Other west of I-35 are located around several waste water injection sites as well. This is the first one in the Pawnee area to my recollection.

https://www.usgs.gov/news/magnitude-56-earthquake-oklahoma

Ummm...Fracking is short for hydraulic fracturing, fracturing with liquids--as in, "...waste water injection wells...."

When a bitty state like Oklahoma has more earthquakes than California,* on the Pacific Ring of Fire....

*Oklahoma recorded more than three times as many earthquakes as California in 2014 and remains well ahead in 2015. Data from the U.S. Geological Survey shows that Oklahoma had 562 earthquakes of magnitude 3.0 or greater in 2014; California had 180.

--Google

(Mac: New Madrid ≠ Oklahoma quakes)

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I live about 100 miles from the epicenter. It was the strongest quake I've ever felt. It was like an explosion when it hit.

I do realize it's frightening...but...yawn:

The 1994 Northridge earthquake occurred on January 17, at 4:30:55 a.m. PST... It had a duration of approximately 10–20 seconds. The blind thrust earthquake...produced ground acceleration that was the highest ever instrumentally recorded in an urban area in North America, measuring 1.8g (16.7 m/s²) with strong ground motion felt as far away as Las Vegas, Nevada, about 220 miles (360 km) from the epicenter.

I was about 50 miles away from it--yawn. A cousin was one (1) mile away: no serious damage. I didn't sleep through it, but it wasn't dangerous. Of course, if my home (not to mention my cousin's!) was built to non-West Coast standard--lots of brick and stone--it could have been deadly.

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Is it related to fraking? I think so, I've lived here for many years and we never had a single earthquake until fraking started and since then we have several a year.

That's the logical conclusion. USGS won't say that directly, because Our Beloved Congress, but no other explanation fits.
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You know the whole earthquake/nuclear war duck-and-cover bit? Useless. If the quake is strong enough you need to duck and cover, I beg to doubt you'll be able to. But: The thing you can think out ahead of time is how tall your chimney, or any other brickwork, is and where it can fall. If you or someone you love is in that radius, you can fix it by either rearranging things (move your bed to a different place, keep your sofa away from the chimney) or taking steps to prevent or control your chimney falling. (Out here, we have metal chimneys with light faux stone façades.)

If you live in a structure with a "soft" bottom floor, that floor can collapse. "Soft" means "untriangulated", pillars with no diagonal bracing. Three and four story buildings are especially vulnerable since their resonant frequencies match those of earthquakes--think of a glass shattering from a singer's voice. One complex in Northridge had its soft, bottom, parking garage story collapse totally; even police and firefighters passed it by, not realizing the first floor had entirely collapsed. This may be it:

If you're in your car, never stop under a bridge with square pillars. They collapse. A round or octagonal piller may mean the rebar is designed to capture the concrete in an earthquake, meaning the crushed concrete will support the bridge for a while. I have no idea if earthquake-resistant construction even exists in the Midwest.

If you're driving after a major quake, don't get complacent. A CHP cruiser was inspecting the seams in a freeway. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Eight foot drop. Oops.
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All types of oil drilling result in water coming to the surface. That water is loaded with metals and other not so fun stuff. It has to be disposed of and that is what goes into waste water injection sites, along with water from fracking sites.

One location in OK had three sites with a half mile of each other. The companies voluntarily reduced the amount of water going in and the frequency that they injected it. Tremors in the area decreased.

The areas hardest hit are usually near these waste water injection sites, not by locations where they are drilling.
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All types of oil drilling result in water coming to the surface. ...

I do not think that water is a high amount proportionally for pressurized oil deposits, aka "a gusher". However, for practical purposes, at this point in oil exploration, yes.

(References, please, if you disagree.)

 
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okiedokie wrote:
Odds are pretty low. The USGS has said that waste water injection wells, not fracking, is a more probable cause of the uptick in Oklahoma earthquakes. The majority of those east of I-35 are centered around Jones where there are a lot of wells. Other west of I-35 are located around several waste water injection sites as well. This is the first one in the Pawnee area to my recollection.

https://www.usgs.gov/news/magnitude-56-earthquake-oklahoma

Ummm...Fracking is short for hydraulic fracturing, fracturing with liquids--as in, "...waste water injection wells...."

When a bitty state like Oklahoma has more earthquakes than California,* on the Pacific Ring of Fire....

*Oklahoma recorded more than three times as many earthquakes as California in 2014 and remains well ahead in 2015. Data from the U.S. Geological Survey shows that Oklahoma had 562 earthquakes of magnitude 3.0 or greater in 2014; California had 180.

--Google

(Mac: New Madrid ≠ Oklahoma quakes)

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mdp4828 wrote:
I live about 100 miles from the epicenter. It was the strongest quake I've ever felt. It was like an explosion when it hit.

I do realize it's frightening...but...yawn:

The 1994 Northridge earthquake occurred on January 17, at 4:30:55 a.m. PST... It had a duration of approximately 10–20 seconds. The blind thrust earthquake...produced ground acceleration that was the highest ever instrumentally recorded in an urban area in North America, measuring 1.8g (16.7 m/s²) with strong ground motion felt as far away as Las Vegas, Nevada, about 220 miles (360 km) from the epicenter.

I was about 50 miles away from it--yawn. A cousin was one (1) mile away: no serious damage. I didn't sleep through it, but it wasn't dangerous. Of course, if my home (not to mention my cousin's!) was built to non-West Coast standard--lots of brick and stone--it could have been deadly.

mdp4828 wrote:
Is it related to fraking? I think so, I've lived here for many years and we never had a single earthquake until fraking started and since then we have several a year.

That's the logical conclusion. USGS won't say that directly, because Our Beloved Congress, but no other explanation fits.
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You know the whole earthquake/nuclear war duck-and-cover bit? Useless. If the quake is strong enough you need to duck and cover, I beg to doubt you'll be able to. But: The thing you can think out ahead of time is how tall your chimney, or any other brickwork, is and where it can fall. If you or someone you love is in that radius, you can fix it by either rearranging things (move your bed to a different place, keep your sofa away from the chimney) or taking steps to prevent or control your chimney falling. (Out here, we have metal chimneys with light faux stone façades.)

If you live in a structure with a "soft" bottom floor, that floor can collapse. "Soft" means "untriangulated", pillars with no diagonal bracing. Three and four story buildings are especially vulnerable since their resonant frequencies match those of earthquakes--think of a glass shattering from a singer's voice. One complex in Northridge had its soft, bottom, parking garage story collapse totally; even police and firefighters passed it by, not realizing the first floor had entirely collapsed. This may be it:

If you're in your car, never stop under a bridge with square pillars. They collapse. A round or octagonal piller may mean the rebar is designed to capture the concrete in an earthquake, meaning the crushed concrete will support the bridge for a while. I have no idea if earthquake-resistant construction even exists in the Midwest.

If you're driving after a major quake, don't get complacent. A CHP cruiser was inspecting the seams in a freeway. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Eight foot drop. Oops.


I wasn't saying it was the same, but that new madrid covered parts of oklahoma.
http://dutchsinse.com/1232016-anniversary-of-the-great-midwe...


This is the extent of a later smaller madrid earthquake in 1895.


Ah.. here's an 1811 madrid.



I agree that oklahoma appears to have it's own hot spot west of the madrid earthquake extent (more towards the middle of oklahoma)
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A fellow gamer and Geology professor posted this:

"Public Service Announcement for everyone in Oklahoma:

Fracking is not the direct culprit for OK earthquakes. Wastewater disposal via injection wells appears to be the culprit, based on studies that the Oklahoma Geological Survey has been doing for the last few years. In particular, the volume of wastewater injection seems to be associated with producing earthquakes.

The water that is being disposed is primarily formation water, not fracking water. It's the water that comes up out of the ground after the well is drilled. It's loaded with heavy metals and other nasty stuff, so it has to be disposed of. This happens whether the well was fracked or not.

The solution is not to stop fracking, since that really has nothing to do with the earthquakes. The solution is to limit the volume of wastewater disposal and otherwise regulate how and where the wastewater is disposed."
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Meh. Slept through the whole thing. Down in Hickville, OK where I live, we've been having smaller earthquakes since the early 1990s. And before you ask, no, we have no rigs in the county and no, we have no waste water injection wells.

My wife had to wake me up to tell me about the earthquake. Can't believe I was laying next to her and never felt a thing. She told me she has the same experience every time we have sex.

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Down in Hickville, OK where I live, we've been having smaller earthquakes since the early 1990s. And before you ask, no, we have no rigs in the county and no, we have no waste water injection wells.


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