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Here's the original thread: Brass 2 player variant suggestion.

This isn't your average expansion since there aren't any additional elements, just restrictions and removal of existing ones. Nevertheless this variant has now ascended to an expansion entry and should be treated as one. For expansions generally, you don't automatically co-credit the designer of the base game; they have their credit for that work already. You credit whoever designed the expansion, and this one is identical to Harju's variant. Wallace giving it an official seal doesn't mean he made it.
 
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LEAVE MARTIN ALONE
How fucking dare anyone out there make fun of Martin after all he's been through!

He lost his games. He went through a lawsuit. He had two fucking non-train games this year.

His publisher turned out to be a liar, a cheater, and now he's going through a custody battle. All you people care about is upvotes and making GeekGold off of him.

HE'S A HUMAN! What you don't realize is that Martin is making you all this GeekGold and all you do is write a bunch of crap about him.

He hasn't made a train game in years. His game is called "Mordred" for a reason because all you people want is MOR! MOR-MOR, MORE MOR!

LEAVE HIM ALONE! You are lucky he even designs for you BASTARDS! LEAVE MARTIN ALONE! ...Please.

Rick Soued talked about professionalism and said if Martin was a professional he would've published it himself no matter what.

Speaking of professionalism, when is it professional to publicly bash someone who is going through a hard time?

Leave Martin Alone Please!
Leave Martin Wallace alone! Right now! I mean it!

Anyone that has a problem with him, you deal with me, because he is not well right now.

LEAVE HIM ALONE!
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No, I shouldn't. This is clearly a variant, I didn't really add anything to the game. Calling it an "expansion" is massively misleading as everything you need to play is already in the box.
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Henkka wrote:
No, I shouldn't. This is clearly a variant, I didn't really add anything to the game. Calling it an "expansion" is massively misleading as everything you need to play is already in the box.


Well there you go...end thread please.
 
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It's certainly worth discussing whether a completely reductive variant should be called an expansion, but in any case, it technically is one here on BGG, and as far as I understand crediting policy, you don't put the designer of the base game as a designer of an expansion simply for doing the base game. Is it correct that you did create the variant on your own?
 
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Kaffedrake wrote:
It's certainly worth discussing whether a completely reductive variant should be called an expansion, but in any case, it technically is one here on BGG, and as far as I understand crediting policy, you don't put the designer of the base game as a designer of an expansion simply for doing the base game.

The way I see it, there shouldn't even be entry for 2 player brass "expansion", but alas, I don't get to decide things around here. I get that for database correctness reasons my name maybe should be there? But if you press hard at that direction, then Mr. Wallace should be removed? As he wasn't involved in all of this at all as far as I know. So I maybe I just shut up and let wiser men battle and decide this one.

Kaffedrake wrote:
Is it correct that you did create the variant on your own?

Yep, that is correct.
 
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Henkka wrote:
The way I see it, there shouldn't even be entry for 2 player brass "expansion", but alas, I don't get to decide things around here.


I tend to agree that if a game contains a 2-player variant that's not an expansion, but simply means the lower bound of the player count should be set to 2. But a complication there is that the admins don't like it when an entry covers multiple items or editions with different player counts, because it messes with searching. Since the old editions don't come with the variant in the box, maybe the new edition would have to be split off into its own entry, which we probably agree would be bad as well.

I can only speculate on why this was added as an expansion, whether it was at the request of the publisher, or some random player submitted it and got it approved, or the admins did it precisely to address the player count issue.

Henkka wrote:
I get that for database correctness reasons my name maybe should be there? But if you press hard at that direction, then Mr. Wallace should be removed? As he wasn't involved in all of this at all as far as I know.


That would seem to be the logical step (and I hope nobody truly believes this inquiry is part of some nefarious plot against Martin Wallace). My best guess though is that if there are no startling developments both names will remain attached to the entry, and given the atypical nature of the "expansion" this should hopefully be generally acceptable.
 
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