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In the main event scenario if Germany DoW Poland in 9/39 does this mean they are at war with the Western allies. Thus per 10.3.4.1 (bullet one below) the Appeasement Policy ends in 9/39?


- The Axis faction declares war against the Western faction.

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The answer is it depends.

When Germany attacks Poland, Poland will join either the West or the Soviets, and that will end either Appeasement or the N/S pact, respectively.

Germany therefore should decide if they want to be at war with the West or the Soviets, and declare war on that faction first.

If they don't, it is a 50-50% chance which side Poland joins.

See the discussion here:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1189930/declaration-war

and the example in the rulebook:
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Declare War Example:
It is September 1939. All countries except France, Germany, UK,
and USSR are neutral, and the Appeasement and Nazi-Soviet Pact
policies are in effect.
The Axis faction goes first in the Phase and its player decides that
it wants to attack Poland now and then invade the USSR in 1940
in order to delay triggering the East Invaded Conditional Event
(13.3). Because both policies are in effect, which faction Poland
would join is determined randomly (See Country Activation
13.1.1). Since the Axis faction does not want to risk Poland
joining the Western faction (thereby blocking its access to the
USSR), it states it is declaring war on the Soviet faction. That ends
the Nazi-Soviet Pact allowing the Axis and Soviet factions to fight
each other. In addition, with that policy no longer in effect and
Appeasement still in effect, any neutral country the Axis faction
declares war on will automatically join the Soviet faction. That
being the case, the Axis faction declares war on Poland. Poland is
then activated; joins the Soviet faction; and its counters are set up,
as per the Country Setup rules. The Axis faction could then
declare war on more countries, but declares it will not.
The Western faction goes next in the Phase. However, since
Appeasement is in effect, it is prohibited from declaring war. So
the Western faction skips the Phase.
The Soviet faction goes next. While it is allowed to fight the Axis
faction, the Appeasement policy also prohibits it from declaring
war, so the Soviet faction also skips the Phase.
 
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So to continue with the example you posted from the rulebook (to explore the implications for US Entry, which still elude me a bit), assume Germany declares war on the USSR and Poland and conquers Poland in Oct '39. It masses on the Soviet border over the next few months and finally attacks the USSR in April, 1940. The Policy Evaluation Marker would then be placed in the May '41 box (13 months ahead) because the East Invaded conditional event fires. By May '41, Germany has not yet attacked the west, so appeasement is still in effect. There is therefore a 50-50 chance per turn that appeasement ends every turn (Rule 15.21). Once appeasement ends, the UK and France and their allies can declare war on Germany and the US enters the war 6 months later. Am I interpreting this odd scenario correctly in game terms?
 
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I think you nailed it.
 
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Quote:
When Germany attacks Poland, Poland will join either the West or the Soviets, and that will end either Appeasement or the N/S pact, respectively.


This is wrong. If Appeasement or the N-S Pact is in effect, Germany cannot attack Poland or any other country. It can declare war on neutral countries, but attacking them is prohibited if they are affected by one of those policies. If you want to attack, you need to end a policy by declaring war on the faction. That or wait until it eventually ends in 1942.

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Germany therefore should decide if they want to be at war with the West or the Soviets, and declare war on that faction first.

If they don't, it is a 50-50% chance which side Poland joins.


This part is correct. Without declaring war on the faction first, which Allied faction the neutral joins is 50-50. Declare war on a faction first and all neutrals will then join that faction.

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My poor choice of words: attack instead of declare war.
 
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