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I am trying to figure out how to organize this game in binders.

Putting the cards in the deluxe binders makes sense only if you intent to always play with "colored" teams. But if I want to play Red/Green/White that would be a tremendous headache.

Seems better to put ALL the colors into a master binder, and move 3 groups worth into a smaller Codex for both players. (this concept actually makes me regret getting the deluxe a bit, since it makes the included binders useless

Anyway, I am trying to get a read on how many card slots will be needed to hold an entire group in a 3x3 binder page (possible double sided?)
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You can fit each spec on a single 3x3 page, as long as you are willing to flip the page over to see all your Tech II options.

Each spec has 13 different cards (most at 2x):
1 hero
3 spells
1 ultimate spell
2 tech I
5 tech II
1 tech III

But to fit on a single 3x3 you could arrange things like so:

Preferred Tech II - Preferred Tech II - Tech III

Tech I - Tech I - Ultimate Spell (with the Hero in front of it, to be removed at the start of the game)

Spell - Spell - Spell

on the back, top row:
Tech II - Tech II - Tech II

Or some variation thereof. If you want to see all the Tech II options together, just put them all on the "back" side.
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They all fit on a single page?! Doesn't the hero go chill with the starter cards anyway?

Well this seems like a much better solution than the 6 binders... I can even incorporate bashing and finesse into the group and simply bring three pages out for my codex? Insane.
 
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We tested every configuration you can think of over the years, and the one in the rulebook was by far the most liked. You are free to do whatever you want of course, but consider why the default one is what it is.

You can't fit all of a spec on one side of a page, first of all. If you put the extra 3 cards on the back of one page, leaving the other 6 slots empty, now you have to turn the page THREE times rather than ONE time in order to see all possible cards. That alone is a hassle.

Another factor that annoyed people more and more over time was any configuration that doesn't have all the tech I cards together. The default one does, and when you build your tech I building, all 6 choices are visible at the same time on the same page. When these 6 choices are spread out on the backs of 3 different pages, it's annoying to play.

So the tradeoff here is how often do you switch decks vs how much do you put up with the bad features of needing to turn the pages 3 times to see everything and the tech Is not being together. Even though some of our players did want to switch decks and try new stuff, even most of them felt the tradeoff wasn't worth it. Using the default setup, they could change decks in like 1 minute (which is slower than practically instantly, if you use your method), but then the part where they actually play the game was better. So most gravitated toward that over time. Especially since there's so much to each deck that they tended to want to play many times with a particular setup.

But again, if you prefer to use your own binders and have 9 cards of a spec on one side and 3 on the other, and turn the page 3 times and have tech Is separated, that might be worth it to you if you are switching decks constantly. Hopefully this sheds some light on the tradeoffs.
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I'm inferring from this post that you have the Deluxe set in your hands? Getting excited! Close, close, close!
 
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For my PnP set I bought a Ultimate Guard QuadRow ZipFolio (these have 12 pockets per page) and seperated the 20 pages from the binder. Each spec fits exactly on one page, heroes and token cards on the back. For storing I can put the pages back to the binder and it works really great.

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Hmm I see... Also I get the bonus feature of being able to use those slick binders.

I just feel bad that I will probably never use Bashing of Finesse >_<
 
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Wister wrote:
I'm inferring from this post that you have the Deluxe set in your hands? Getting excited! Close, close, close!


No I don't have it, I am just planning ahead.
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VirtualAlex wrote:
Wister wrote:
I'm inferring from this post that you have the Deluxe set in your hands? Getting excited! Close, close, close!


No I don't have it, I am just planning ahead.



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We found that we were too eager to start setting up our own spec combinations, so quickly moved away from "all Tech Is visible at once" to "each spec is its own page of a binder".

Setup then means after you choose (or randomly determine) what 3 specs you're playing, you need to find the 3 binder pages for the chosen specs for each player and move them to the front of the main binder or put them in the player2 binder, but that's much quicker (and less wear and tear on the cards) than pulling out all the cards every time you change what spec you want to play.

I guess it does depend on how you're going to play. If you're going to play white vs purple twenty times (and there definitely is plenty enough depth for that many games and many more), then keep all the white cards together with all the white Tech Is on one page and all the purple cards together with all the purple Tech Is on one page. But if the players are eager to mix things up - "I want to try my Strength-Growth combo again, this time with the third slot being, hmm, Ninjutsu" - then having one spec per page makes far more sense.

The way we divide the cards on a binder page is:

[Spell] [Spell] [Spell]
------- [Ultimate] ------
[TechI] ------- [TechI]

and on the flip side:

[Tech2] [Tech2] [Tech2]
[Tech2] [Tech2] -------
------- [Tech3] -------
This means that you look at the front page of each spec all the time, but only look at the back page of your chosen specialisation, and only once your Tech 2 building is built or near. It works well for us.

The heroes and starter decks sit separately. Seven small stacks consisting of [Hero1][Hero2][Hero3][Worker card][Starter1]...[Starter10], each stack bound with an elastic band.
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Excellent that is exactly what I am considering! Thanks.
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