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I can find a game's geek rating when I do a search, but can't seem to find where this stat is listed on a game's page? Anyone know?
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Apparently it isn't. As a workaround you can click on the number after "Rank: Overall" (and/or the subcategory you are interested in, if any, like Thematic).
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a1bert wrote:
Apparently it isn't. As a workaround you can click on the number after "Rank: Overall" (and/or the subcategory you are interested in, if any, like Thematic).
That'll have to do. Thanks!
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Being simply the average rating plus statistical noise, geekrating isn't really useful for anyone except people looking at how the rankings are calculated, so I can understand why they removed it from the game pages.
 
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I prefer it over the average rating, which typically skews wildly positive for new games.
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But all that means is that when you look at a new game where the dummy votes dominate, the geekrating will always be middling. It may be "unskewed", but it doesn't show more information.
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Kaffedrake wrote:
But all that means is that when you look at a new game where the dummy votes dominate, the geekrating will always be middling. It may be "unskewed", but it doesn't show more information.

It shows different information that I find to be more useful. The dummy votes in the geek rating proportionately mitigate low volumes of user ratings. The fewer ratings a game has, the more useless I find the average rating.

Spazz: The Card Game, a kickstarted game that hasn't even been funded yet, has an average rating of 10 on the strength of 2 user ratings.
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It shows different information that I find to be more useful. The dummy votes in the geek rating proportionately mitigate low volumes of user ratings. The fewer ratings a game has, the more useless I find the average rating.

Spazz: The Card Game, a kickstarted game that hasn't even been funded yet, has an average rating of 10 on the strength of 2 user ratings.


Yes, and if you added a hundred 5.5 dummy votes to that, the geekrating would be about 5.5, which seems equally useless? It's like you're saying, "I don't trust those flaky early voters, I'm glad the dummy voters are there to vote more conservatively and keep them in check." But the dummy votes aren't appraising the game in any way, just pulling the average with arbitrary strength towards an arbitrary point. So I guess they're acting as a kind of spoiler prevention? If you monitor games by the geekrating, then good or bad, a game doesn't get to show up very strongly on the radar until the votes have really poured in. And of course the geekrating has at least one largely legitimate use for deriving stable rankings that totally keep the cult of the new out of the top 100. But as a numeric measure I wouldn't say it adds information.
 
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I prefer it over the average rating, which typically skews wildly positive for new games.

I enjoy the "Ratings Breakdown" bar graph that shows up on the right side of the Ratings and Comments module.

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Kaffedrake wrote:
"I don't trust those flaky early voters, I'm glad the dummy voters are there to vote more conservatively and keep them in check." But the dummy votes aren't appraising the game in any way, just pulling the average with arbitrary strength towards an arbitrary point. So I guess they're acting as a kind of spoiler prevention? If you monitor games by the geekrating, then good or bad, a game doesn't get to show up very strongly on the radar until the votes have really poured in.

Yes, thanks. My point exactly.
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