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Subject: Keep or replace original 1844 and/or 1854 ? rss

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jim b
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I have the original 1844 (from Helmut Ohley), and 1854 from DTG (the OO version with DTG production).

Have the new games changed enough that I should consider replacing my original(s) with this new version?

I'm quite happy with both the originals, as-is. Mostly I'm asking this on the merits of the respective gameplay changes.

It sounds like 1854 may have changed the most (but, some changes may have been for mostly pragmatic reasons, rather than substantive improvements).

If you have original versions of either/both games, will you always defer to the new version to play? I'm interested in opinions from either the 1844 or 1854 point-of-view.
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I don't have the originals but from where I sit, unless they actually screwed something up in the new edition the obvious answer is... shelf space!

Both games in one box is an absolute no brainer.

Especially when you could easily fund the purchase by selling the earlier editions.
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I have the first editions and minorly prefer the presentation for the original '44 and find the new '54 to be different enough to consider them distinct games. As such I'll be keeping all three.
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The original 1854 is quite different from the new version. In particular, it has these lovely tiles:



(note in particular the wonderful green tiles with two separate cities.)

I'm not making any claim as to which is the better game, but they are certainly different in play.
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Speaking for '54, I miss those middle cities badly, also some other tiles. I understand the decision not to incorporate them in the new version, but they are the reason why I'll not part with my original game.

I would part from my '44 though.
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Thanks all!

PzVIE wrote:
I would part from my '44 though.

Why this preference for the new 1844?
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jimb wrote:
Thanks all!

PzVIE wrote:
I would part from my '44 though.

Why this preference for the new 1844?

It hasn't changed that much (apart from removing a couple of hexes), and those few changes are alright for me. Contrary to 1854, 1844 still feels like the original 1844. IMHO. meeple
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If I understand correctly, in neither case (1844 or 1854) is anyone saying "the updates make this new version a better game".

That's what I was hoping to learn... thanks again.
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I have all three and I would say if you have the original two, don't bother. Nothing is added and personally I would table either of the older ones if I was hosting a game. Mind you, I've made wooden tokens with colour labels for both games so that helped from their original states.
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jrebelo wrote:
Mind you, I've made wooden tokens with colour labels for both games so that helped from their original states.

Me too.
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jimb wrote:
If I understand correctly, in neither case (1844 or 1854) is anyone saying "the updates make this new version a better game".

I think the new 1854 is a more accessible game. If I were teaching brand-new players, I'd start with the new 1854 first.
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Eric Brosius wrote:
I think the new 1854 is a more accessible game. If I were teaching brand-new players, I'd start with the new 1854 first.


Just as compared to the original 1854 or even other titles that are generally recommended to those new to 18xx altogether like '46, '89, and '30.
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NuMystic wrote:
Eric Brosius wrote:
I think the new 1854 is a more accessible game. If I were teaching brand-new players, I'd start with the new 1854 first.


Just as compared to the original 1854 or even other titles that are generally recommended to those new to 18xx altogether like '46, '89, and '30.

Just as compared with the original 1854.

My preferred teaching game for 18xx is 1846.
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Does anyone have a list of tiles that were in the original 1854 that aren't included in the new version and any tiles in the new version that weren't in the old?
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I really missed the Cool Factor of the clear tunnel tiles.
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cornjob wrote:
I really missed the Cool Factor of the clear tunnel tiles.


Whoah. Only just noticed those in the pic above after you mentioned them!

Are there tunnels in the revised edition as well, but not clear, or were they struck from the gameplay altogether?

I'm sure I could make a pnp version of them without too much difficulty... hm.
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The new tunnels are narrow cardboard strips. They're visually jarring, but they suffice.
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clearclaw wrote:
The new tunnels are narrow cardboard strips. They're visually jarring, but they suffice.


I see a Litko order in my future.

Perhaps these would work nicely?
 
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Also I don't think there are any sharp turn tunnels in the new 1854. Those would have been handy last game.
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