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I Was RFK’s Speechwriter. Now I’m Voting for Trump. Here’s Why.

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I was a Democrat all my life. I came to Washington to serve President John Kennedy and Attorney General Robert Kennedy. When the president was murdered and his brother struck off on his own, I joined his Senate campaign and staff as his legislative assistant and speechwriter, until his presidential campaign ended with his own assassination. I ran on a (losing) Democratic ticket in the New York state elections of 1970. When I was working to enact my own program of police reform in the 1980s and 1990s, then-Governor Bill Clinton was chairman of my National Committee for the Police Corps.

This year, I will vote to elect Donald Trump as president of the United States.

So profound a change, and a decent respect for old friendships, requires me to deliver a public accounting for this decision.

Here it is. John and Robert Kennedy devoted their greatest commitments and energies to the prevention of war and the preservation of peace. To them that was not an abstract formula but the necessary foundation of human life. But today’s Democrats have become the Party of War: a home for arms merchants, mercenaries, academic war planners, lobbyists for every foreign intervention, promoters of color revolutions, failed generals, exploiters of the natural resources of corrupt governments. We have American military bases in 80 countries, and there are now American military personnel on the ground in about 130 countries, a remarkable achievement since there are only 192 recognized countries. Generals and admirals announce our national policies. Theater commanders are our principal ambassadors. Our first answer to trouble or opposition of any kind seems always to be a military movement or action.

Nor has the Democratic Party candidate for president this year, Hillary Clinton, sought peace. Instead she has pushed America into successive invasions, successive efforts at “regime change.” She has sought to prevent Americans from seeking friendship or cooperation with President Vladimir Putin of Russia by characterizing him as “another Hitler.” She proclaims herself ready to invade Syria immediately after taking the oath of office. Her shadow War Cabinet brims with the architects of war and disaster for the past decades, the neocons who led us to our present pass, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, in Ukraine, unrepentant of all past errors, ready to resume it all with fresh trillions and fresh blood. And the Democrats she leads seem intent on worsening relations with Russia, for example by sending American warships into the Black Sea, or by introducing nuclear weapons ever closer to Russia itself.

In fact, in all the years of the so-called War on Terror, only one potential American president has had the intelligence, the vision, the sheer sanity to see that America cannot fight the entire world at once; who sees that America’s natural and necessary allies in this fight must include the advanced and civilized nations that are most exposed and experienced in their own terror wars, and have the requisite military power and willingness to use it. Only one American candidate has pointed out how senseless it is to seek confrontation with Russia and China, at the same time that we are trying to suppress the very jihadist movements that they also are attacking.

That candidate is Donald Trump. Throughout this campaign, he has said that as president, he would quickly sit down with President Putin and seek relaxation of tensions between our nations, and possible collaboration in the fight against terrorists. On this ground alone, he marks himself as greatly superior to all his competitors, earlier in the primaries and now in the general election.

It must also be said: Mr. Trump is an imperfect candidate, and he would surely be an imperfect president. He is crude, often vulgar. He has areas of great ignorance. He insults people and inflicts unnecessary harm. He would be twice the candidate he is if he used half the words. He is often intemperate; though it is not Trump but his opponent who is so intemperate as to compare Putin’s moves in Ukraine to what Hitler did—an insult that throughout all the Cold War and to this day, no American president has ever offered to any Soviet or Russian leader, not even the enormous butcher Josef Stalin, with whom in fact we joined to win the Second World War. And it is not Mr. Trump but Michael Morell, a former CIA director now high in the councils of the Democratic candidate, who has publicly suggested, without rebuke from anyone, that we should begin “killing Russians,” a doubly illegal act of war.

Moreover Trump marks himself as a man of singular political courage, willing to defy the hysteria of the Washington war hawks, the establishment and the mainstream media who daily describe him as virtually anti-American for daring to voice ideas and opinions at variance with their one-note devotion to war.


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President Kennedy told us over and over that our own peace and security, in this dangerous world, would depend upon peaceful and cooperative relations with Russia and the Russian people; indeed, at the end of his presidency, Ronald Reagan said the same. Fools in Washington, intent on world domination, would have us ignore that wisdom now. But it is the wisdom that we need to preserve the world and our children’s future.

Second, we must at the same time begin to recover our domestic peace. There are many ills to be cured, many shortcomings to be righted.

But nothing can be accomplished in the midst of a war against police, an insurrection against the Constitution itself. Our clear priority is reinforcement of our police and police departments. We need many more and better police. We need them to be better trained, not as warriors but as shepherds, as leaders and teachers of the young, as peacemakers in communities that have not known real peace for many years. We need our very best young people, not getting their legs blown off by IEDs in Afghanistan, but saving all of our lives in St. Louis and Chicago and Detroit and Baton Rouge and all the other wasted places in our own land.

Donald Trump has been mocked mercilessly for saying, “America first.” But to demand that all the actions of government, at home or abroad, be first directed at the interests and well-being of our own country is not old-fashioned or outmoded. Rather it represents the deepest wisdom and tradition of American statesmen from the founders on. Only with a clear vision of what is truly in the interests of our nation and our fellow citizens, and a full commitment to those interests, can we act wisely at home and in the world beyond.

Finally, our president has told us we must lower our voices. Of course we do not hope for domestic discord. But the people of the United States have perhaps stood silent for too long. The elites of opinion and government have not hesitated to offer us instruction, from the heights of their power and eminence. These are the people who have led us into useless foreign war and limitless domestic disaster. This president tells us that we must now spend another trillion dollars on new nuclear weapons systems, and when we ask who will be the target for these world-destroying weapons, says only, “There can be no business as usual with Russia.”

Surely he must have misspoken, for anyone can see we are on a course of madness. We simply cannot fight the entire world, Russia and China and all the nations of the Mideast, and fight a war at home all at the same time.

And therefore we citizens must not be silent, we must speak as with one great overwhelming voice, a voice as powerful as Washington, as Jefferson, as Lincoln, as Martin Luther King:

Return to the wisdom of the founders, who fought necessary wars to defend the Union, but sought no foreign conquests.

Do not step over the threshold of a new Cold War, a new nuclear arms race with Russia and China, but seek to enlist them in common ventures to resist the forces of terror and chaos that threaten all civilization.

Commit to our own domestic peace and security, rather than persist in a vain effort to control the lives and affairs of 200 foreign nations.

This, as I understand it, is the platform of Donald Trump. It was not the Republican Party platform, and he had to overcome much opposition within his party to gain the nomination. But it is his platform. It is the platform he has restated again and again, with determination, and with the courage and persistence to outlast his critics. It is a platform that, even in these troubled days, could fulfill the hopes of the greatest Americans of all parties.

Well may we seek reassurance whether Mr. Trump has the kind of cool judgment and self-possession that the presidency requires; the judgment that comes to the fore in crisis, that saves a nation or perhaps a world. No one can ever truly know how a future president will react to such enormous pressures. But Trump has given some evidence. He set himself a unique course toward the office, disdaining conventional wisdom, speaking more truth about politics and about America than any conventional consultant or adviser thought prudent or wise. And yet it is his independence, his willingness to name facts however unpleasant, together with his great political courage, that can give us hope and even some confidence that he may be up to the job. Perhaps most important, he has proven that he is not intimidated by the generals and admirals who have up to this day had their unimpeded way with our wars and our budgets, to the immense loss of both.

Flawed as he may be, Trump is telling more of the truth than politician of our day. Most important, he offers a path away from constant war, a path of businesslike accommodation with all reasonable people and nations, concentrating our forces and efforts against the true enemies of civilization. Thus, to dwell on his faults and errors is to evade the great questions of war and peace, life and death for our people and our country. You and I will have to compensate for his deficits of civility, in return for peace, we may hope as Lincoln hoped, among ourselves and with all nations.

Truly, America first, last and always; for ourselves and for our posterity. These are the reasons why I will vote for Donald Trump for president.




Much, much more at the link above.




 
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I am trying and failing to think of an argument more ludicrous than one arguing that Donald Trump, who has literally spent part of this campaign arguing for nuclear proliferation, would be less disastrous on foreign policy than Clinton, and Clinton's foreign policy preferences are where I disagree with her most emphatically.
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Drew, of all the people to fall prey to the JFK 'Camelot' myth, I never suspected you.

JFK LOVED the idea of fighting the Soviets in small conflicts all over the world. His military adviser, former 101 Airborne Division commander and Joint Chief, Gen. Maxwell Taylor, argued strongly in his book "The Uncertain Trumpet", that the US had to fight in small, Low Intensity Conflicts all over the world for the sake of proving the American commitment to the Cold War. It was JFK, under Taylor's advice, to create the Green Berets and to begin the process that led to the US presence in Vietnam. His idea of American power and the need to demonstrate it militarily throughout the world is now a cornerstone of modern Neo-Conservative thought.

This myth that somehow JFK was going to be 'against' the Vietnam is a whole of lot of ex post facto reasoning bolstered with a healthy dose of wanting to blame LBJ for the entire fiasco. LBJ deserves his fair share of blame, but the fact remains that the arguments that led to LBJ's escalation of the war in Vietnam were made by JFK's foreign policy establishment- namely, McNamara and Taylor.

So this piece by Walinsky is a bunch of nostalgic bullshit bolstered by a myth of JFK that is utterly without any real basis- the idea that JFK would never have done what LBJ did in Vietnam, would have sent American boys in the rice paddies of Vietnam for the same of....something...during the Cold War.

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shake WE're not "falling for" A-N-Y ""BANANAS Republics"" in the 'tailpipe' of 'Camelots'! surprisecaravan
 
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Hilarious historical revisionism.

Pretty sure that JFK escalated first in 'Nam, after he escalated his various mistresses.

And I'm a fan of his presidency. But c'mon... plenty of blame to go around for Vietnam, and JFK gets a really big slice of that cake.

And both parties are parties of war... it was a requirement to survive following 9/11. Only the most entrenched anti-war candidates survived their primaries following that event... so being anti-war was anti-re-election.

Its hard to fight for your principles, when you're not even in the ring.



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Ah. So this is why you're going to vote for him?
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flamespeak wrote:
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Ah. So this is why you're going to vote for him?


Calling out one party for their BS is not endorsing the other party.



No, of course not. wink wink. nudge nudge.

Consistently calling out liberals as morons, incompetents, warmongers, liars, cheats, losers, fools while giving Trump a pass and high-fiving every liberal who has decided to vote for Trump is not at all an endorsement of anything.

But wait, which shell has the prize? Were you paying attention?

I've changed my mind about speaking up every time Drew shuffles the shells around, because there are too many of these threads to keep up with and I don't have any desire to stalk Drew long term. Maybe I'll wait and comment on the rare occasion when he breaks this pattern of Trump apologism and Hillary criticism. I'm not holding my breath for that, though.
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JFK?

Bay of Pigs, Vietnam.

Yes, not a warmonger.

If JFK is his idea of a man who promoted peace then I am more afraid of what Trump is capable of then before. He took us to the brink of nuclear war, his idea of peace was American security at any price.
 
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Democrats warmongering ?? While they share blame as well for escalating several of our conflicts the Republicans are really no better here. Vietnam, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, and Iraq were all escalated by Republicans as well. To point out that Dems are the party of war without taking into account what Repubs have done in there is pretty goofy.
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ejmowrer wrote:


I've changed my mind about speaking up every time Drew shuffles the shells around, because there are too many of these threads to keep up with and I don't have any desire to stalk Drew long term.


You don't actually have to stalk him since he shits the bed in just about every thread here.
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This is an odd piece. Hillary is much to hawkish for my tastes, but Trump far more so than her.
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This is an odd piece. Hillary is much to hawkish for my tastes, but Trump far more so than her.
To be fair I do not think Trump is hawkish, he if fat to interested in dodgy deals.

It will be like a real bad game of Diplomacy.

"I will give you the Baltic states if you give me Iraq".

But I think his personality may well lead to more wars.
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EXCELLENT link Drew...thank you!

The author is 100% correct; neither man would recognize the rampant socialism and lack of personal responsibility that permeates the Democratic Party today.




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I have no doubt that Hillary Clinton will step up our involvement with ISIL in the middle east - if we are not outright at war.

Hillary is part of the same New World Order bullshit that Bush is. A vote for Hillary is no different than voting for another Bush in office.
 
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Ferretman wrote:
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EXCELLENT link Drew...thank you!

The author is 100% correct; neither man would recognize the rampant socialism and lack of personal responsibility that permeates the Democratic Party today.




Ferret



"America First" again. Seems fitting given the historical context. If folks think that either JFK or RFK would be supporting a lying religious bigot then they are truly too stupid for words.
 
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How are we supposed to protect ourselves from poison skittles if we don't go to the store and smash them right in their own bags.
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galad2003 wrote:
I have no doubt that Hillary Clinton will step up our involvement with ISIL in the middle east - if we are not outright at war.

That seems true for either candidate. What do you think would be different about their approaches?
 
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I read the original article twice to make sure I wasn't missing anything and conclude that it only makes sense if you assume that Trump is lying about his plans to substantially beef up US military spending and his views on nuclear proliferation (yeah if Japan and/or South Korea develop nukes that won't result in action by Russia and China at all).

But then the author says something about Trump telling the truth so scratch that theory.

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jmilum wrote:
galad2003 wrote:
I have no doubt that Hillary Clinton will step up our involvement with ISIL in the middle east - if we are not outright at war.

That seems true for either candidate. What do you think would be different about their approaches?


I think there is a chance that Trump is full of shit and might actually be too chicken shit to take us to war. But yea he still might too, we have truly been given a choice between a douche and a shit sandwich this year.
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flamespeak wrote:
Kumitedad wrote:
Ferretman wrote:
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EXCELLENT link Drew...thank you!

The author is 100% correct; neither man would recognize the rampant socialism and lack of personal responsibility that permeates the Democratic Party today.




Ferret



"America First" again. Seems fitting given the historical context. If folks thing that either JFK or RFK would be supporting a lying religious bigot then they are truly too stupid for words.


I like how people forget JFK did the whole Cuba embargo thing.


I like how people ignore the points in posts and manage to prove my point for me
 
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Finally Drew makes a straight out endorsement of Trump. I knew it all along despite his protestations to the contrary. At least he is finally being honest about who he is going to vote for.
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galad2003 wrote:
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I have no doubt that Hillary Clinton will step up our involvement with ISIL in the middle east - if we are not outright at war.

That seems true for either candidate. What do you think would be different about their approaches?


I think there is a chance that Trump is full of shit and might actually be too chicken shit to take us to war. But yea he still might too, we have truly been given a choice between a douche and a shit sandwich this year.


Yeah... and when I walk into a party with drunk people bearing firearms (many a time), I say to myself... "Yeah, well most likely I won't get shot... they'll just pass out." Having been drawn on and shot at, I can tell you that the non-rosy scenario is much worse if it goes down.

I wouldn't let Trump mow my lawn in fear that he would fuck it up in a rage fit. Having him exposed to anything that affects anyone but himself has to be the stupidest thing that anyone could wish upon themselves.

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ejmowrer wrote:
I don't have any desire to stalk Drew long term.


I don't believe you. Your comments show that you aspire to be just like all the other RSP assholes.
 
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Drew1365 wrote:
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I don't have any desire to stalk Drew long term.


I don't believe you. Your comments show that you aspire to be just like all the other RSP assholes.

I wish you wouldn't use the term "stalking" simply for people commenting on your posts that you don't agree with.

You don't consider it stalking when they agree, so the only difference is the disagreement.

A lot of people around here read a majority of the threads, you seem to fall into this category. You also tend to make inflammatory or at least nakedly partisan posts. That will lead to comments. That's not stalking.

If someone were to send threatening geek mails, or always make off topic replies, then sure. But that's not what you complain about.
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Drew1365 wrote:
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I don't have any desire to stalk Drew long term.


I don't believe you. Your comments show that you aspire to be just like all the other RSP assholes.


I commented on two, maybe three threads over a period of 1 day. If that constitutes long term stalking in your world, then you may need to relax a little bit.
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