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Arnaldo Horta Jr
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Well, so far all the reviewers who have played this have liked it...however even the Miami Dice review had Tom calling it the best game ever, Zee liking it and Sam liking it but less than the others (of course, Sam doesn't like programming games so that is a factor).

I will reserve judgment on the gameplay until I try it but here is the question for the day...if the game has worse components, or if the components were as they are and the game cost $150, would everyone be gushing as much as they are now. Case in point...see the Miami Dice review of Cthulhu Wars...

Of course, if I can I will probably buy a copy...unless thay tell me that the game is $75 and it costs $50 to ship :-)
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I was prepared to pay $200 for this game as presented. I'm floored by its price tag, but I was going to buy it anyway.
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A large part of the gushing was the price point, so I think it's fair to say the reviews wouldn't be as positive had Asmodee set the price. However, I think their comments on component quality and gameplay still stand and it appears by all accounts to be a terrific game. The insanely low price is just icing on the cake.

Diarmud wrote:
O course, if I can I will probably buy a copy...unless thay tell me that the game is $75 and it costs $50 to ship :-)

Oh yeah, sorry to our friends in the great white north and our mates down under. That sucks.
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I am mostly interested in Robo Rally + pseudo Legacy aspects of the game. Even with fewer minis or higher price, I'd still buy it. The fact that there are lots of minis with low price just sweeten the deal for me.
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It definitely plays a part in the hype for sure. My experience watching a review on TDT was interested > intrigued > add to watch list > excited > floored from the price > insta-buy.
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30$ for Canadian shipping is ridic.
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I think you may have misheard Tom. His favorite game, I would imagine, is still Cosmic Encounter.

Let's not overhype...
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XDarkAngelX wrote:
30$ for Canadian shipping is ridic.

As much as I would like to see a better Canadian distribution, $30 buck for an ~11 lbs (5 kg) box isn't that bad either in comparison swan panasia expect me to pay $24 of shipping for 4 packs of sleeves. Let's just hope they will not use UPS to ship them because I wouldn't want to have to pay an additional $50 for some custom clearance fee.
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This game has a lot going for it:

--Established universe with built-in fanbase

--Amazing components

--Great set of initial reviews

--Story based campaign, that has some legacy-style elements

--Low price point relative to other similar games

--Cool mechanisms, done in a way that even people who don't like programmable games are interested

I would say that in a literal sense, taking away any one of these items would probably reduce the size and speed of the hype train ... but even with a higher price point, there's little doubt in my mind that it would still be highly sought after, and be sitting at the top of the BGG 'The Hotness' list.

It's worth noting that many KS campaigns with higher price points still generate a ton of buzz, a ton of hype, and a lot of money.
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Riot Kades wrote:
I think you may have misheard Tom. His favorite game, I would imagine, is still Cosmic Encounter.

Let's not overhype...


...And wasn't Tom involved in some of the final design process anyway?
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SSGMightyMouse wrote:
It definitely plays a part in the hype for sure. My experience watching a review on TDT was interested > intrigued > add to watch list > excited > floored from the price > insta-buy.

This was definitely my path. Actually, I'll just add that a friend suggested I look into it and I shrugged it off immediately because of almost a dozen pre-orders and Kickstarter games I'm expecting.

EDIT: And I should add that if the game had "standard" board gaming components and price, I would most definitely pass. So the toy factor and uniqueness of this game is definitely a factor.

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XDarkAngelX wrote:
30$ for Canadian shipping is ridic.

As much as I would like to see a better Canadian distribution, $30 buck for an ~11 lbs (5 kg) box isn't that bad either in comparison swan panasia expect me to pay $24 of shipping for 4 packs of sleeves. Let's just hope they will not use UPS to ship them because I wouldn't want to have to pay an additional $50 for some custom clearance fee.


My estimate is it will end up being around $165CAD all said and done. My math goes as follows $75 + $30 = $100 USD = $135 CAD + customs and handling fees $30 CAD = $165 CAD. Now if you add in FedEx or some other shipping company then you may need to add an extra $20 onto that...
 
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Nope. Game looks fun enough, but if it was $150 it would be lumped in with Cthulhu Wars. Neat to look at, but overproduced for what it is. This game is at least unique though. Cthulu Wars is just a watered down rip off of Chaos in the Old World at 3.5x the price.
 
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Yes, I think it would be. Double the cost would still be a steal.
 
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Diarmud wrote:
Well, so far all the reviewers who have played this have liked it...however even the Miami Dice review had Tom calling it the best game ever...
I don't think he ever said that. He mentioned it was a 10 production-wise.
heretic_dave wrote:
...And wasn't Tom involved in some of the final design process anyway?
He consulted on it, as he explained in the review, and suggested making it a coop. He says the game was 50% done, which makes sense since the campaign was a added after that.
 
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heretic_dave wrote:
Riot Kades wrote:
I think you may have misheard Tom. His favorite game, I would imagine, is still Cosmic Encounter.

Let's not overhype...


...And wasn't Tom involved in some of the final design process anyway?


I believe they asked him to try the game and give his thoughts and feedback, which they then incorporated into the design.
 
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Of course it wouldn't be as hot if it was more expensive. Just like it wouldn't be as hot if it the miniatures didn't have a wash, it didn't have prepainted heroes, it didn't have spot UV to make there oil glossy or it didn't have an awesome insert. Each aspect adds to the hotness.

However the price is unique because they are selling it direct so they can cut out distribution and retail which could have doubled there price. Another aspect which was mentioned in the Secret Cabal podcast was that this game is being exposed to such a large audience is equally exciting, similar to when a board game is featured on a prime time television show.

Personally being a fan of Space Alert, this game looks really interesting. It's more Euroy and less Ameritrashy than I would have guessed which is really nice because that's less common for these higher production games.
 
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ThunderingGiraffe wrote:
XDarkAngelX wrote:
30$ for Canadian shipping is ridic.

As much as I would like to see a better Canadian distribution, $30 buck for an ~11 lbs (5 kg) box isn't that bad either in comparison swan panasia expect me to pay $24 of shipping for 4 packs of sleeves. Let's just hope they will not use UPS to ship them because I wouldn't want to have to pay an additional $50 for some custom clearance fee.
I just checked an item in the web store. For that, they are using UPS i parcel. What that means is they charge you our taxes when you check out. They would also add duties if necessary, but there are no duty charges for boardgames.

So, for the $25 item I tested, the shipping was $10. The taxes were maybe 65 cents over what I would expect at 13% in my province (maybe they have to charge local taxes when the sell it or?). So on $35 including shipping the extra fee from UPS was less than a dollar, and I would pay it up front.

It is a "fully landed" service from UPS, and part of the reason shipping and handling will be as high as it is is because we won't be charged $5 plus 13% from Canada Post or $I_don't_want_to_know_argh from a traditional UPS shipment. What you pay when you click "yes charge my card now pls" is all you pay.

Feel free to confirm everything I said. And you should probably make sure they are using a fully landed service when you buy the game, like they do for other items, or what I said about i parcel won't apply.

There are a lot of misconceptions about shipping to Canada so hopefully you are able to confirm what I wrote above and get a better understanding of what you'll be charged when you buy things from the US.
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Diarmud wrote:
Well, so far all the reviewers who have played this have liked it...however even the Miami Dice review had Tom calling it the best game ever


I think if you go back and watch the video you'll find that he called it the best game he's played this year. That's still a pretty strong commentary in a decent year for games.
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Logus Vile wrote:
My estimate is it will end up being around $165CAD all said and done. My math goes as follows $75 + $30 = $100 USD = $135 CAD + customs and handling fees $30 CAD = $165 CAD. Now if you add in FedEx or some other shipping company then you may need to add an extra $20 onto that...

My math comes out to approx $160 CAD as well, but that there will be no additional fees from the courier on arrival even though it uses the scary word "UPS", as explained in my post above.

That is assuming the quoted $30 shipping is correct, I do not know where that number came from.
 
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fortheloveofdice wrote:
but there are no duty charges for boardgames.


There were quite a few reports from people across several Canadian provinces, including Ontario, that were charged customs for the Assault on Doomrock KS that was shipped from Poland. Was that because it was from outside North America?
 
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fortheloveofdice wrote:
That is assuming the quoted $30 shipping is correct, I do not know where that number came from.

Rodney Smith quoted that price in his youtube video description.
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Logus Vile wrote:
fortheloveofdice wrote:
but there are no duty charges for boardgames.


There were quite a few reports from people across several Canadian provinces, including Ontario, that were charged customs for the Assault on Doomrock KS that was shipped from Poland. Was that because it was from outside North America?

It would be a few things:

1) by "duties" it would be HST. People seem to usually confuse "taxes and duties" and call something duties. Boardgames are taxable in Canada even if they come from elsewhere.
So why do people seem to not get charged sometimes?
. 1 a) you can get lucky at the border and not get charged
. 1 b) maybe you were charged by the sender already

2) they were probably including whatever the courier company charged as a fee for the privilege collecting the HST (or whatever your local tax is). If traditional post is used, Canada Post will charge you $5 to do that, but it can be huge for courier companies.

3) it was obviously not a fully landed service used to ship

And no, originating country does not matter.

I will try to find the Canadian duties page to link here.
 
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Logus Vile wrote:
fortheloveofdice wrote:
That is assuming the quoted $30 shipping is correct, I do not know where that number came from.

Rodney Smith quoted that price in his youtube video description.
Thanks!
 
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fortheloveofdice wrote:
Logus Vile wrote:
fortheloveofdice wrote:
but there are no duty charges for boardgames.


There were quite a few reports from people across several Canadian provinces, including Ontario, that were charged customs for the Assault on Doomrock KS that was shipped from Poland. Was that because it was from outside North America?

It would be a few things:

1) by "duties" it would be HST. People seem to usually confuse "taxes and duties" and call something duties. Boardgames are taxable in Canada even if they come from elsewhere.
So why do people seem to not get charged sometimes?
. 1 a) you can get lucky at the border and not get charged
. 1 b) maybe you were charged by the sender already

2) they were probably including whatever the courier company charged as a fee for the privilege collecting the HST (or whatever your local tax is). If traditional post is used, Canada Post will charge you $5 to do that, but it can be huge for courier companies.

3) it was obviously not a fully landed service used to ship

And no, originating country does not matter.

I will try to find the Canadian duties page to link here.

Full disclosure: for some reason I was not charged anything extra for the Assault on Doomrock KS, however there were reports out of Ontario and across Canada of having to pay (I think) $22. So I don't know what to make of it. (On a tangent, this is a reason I will probably pass on the This War of Mine KS out of Poland as well. I don't think it's worth the risk instead of just buying at retail.)
 
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It's an interesting coop game with 10 unique feeling missions. It appears to have loads of replayability due to the different difficulty levels and skills. It's a must have game for me based on that. The components and price are just icing.
 
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