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I disagree with their timeframe (too optimistic), but overall I suspect they're right:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-22/robot-ride...
 
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I look forward to the day of the automated car.
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Drew1365 wrote:
One of the ingredients for Totalitarianism is to control free movement and travel among the populace. So . . . yeah. I'm sure our Central Planners are all over this idea.
But charging does not restrict freedom?
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A couple possible responses to this:

A. It's awesome that technology is being used to improve our lives by reducing transit times, nearly eliminating traffic injuries and fatalities and giving us more freedom by giving us back the time that used to belong to the act of driving.

B. Government bad!

I choose A.
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Drew1365 wrote:
One of the ingredients for Totalitarianism is to control free movement and travel among the populace. So . . . yeah. I'm sure our Central Planners are all over this idea.

The govt has been in the automotive regulation business for a long time. What specifically do you object to here?
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batman wrote:
A couple possible responses to this:

A. It's awesome that technology is being used to improve our lives by reducing transit times, nearly eliminating traffic injuries and fatalities and giving us more freedom by giving us back the time that used to belong to the act of driving.

B. Government bad!

I choose A.

I choose C.

C. I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
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I still want to drive.
Driving is fun.
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TheDashi wrote:
I still want to drive.
Driving is fun.
So don't use freeways, problem solved.
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We did this thread already. Trey was anti-.
 
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I can't wait for this to become a viable alternative. Humans are terrible drivers, even the ones who aren't drunk or asleep at the wheel (myself included). Let's hope for it to eventually take off on non-freeway roads as well.
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Glad I'm old enough I won't live to see this. Like Dash said, driving is fun, and I like to drive. Since I pay taxes, I want to drive on the highway. Screw our robot overlords.
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Driving hundreds of miles on motorways in Britain is dull, monotonous and boring. I can only imagine what driving thousands of miles on a freeway in the US is like.

Computerise the roads. Install wifi on them all.
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remorseless1 wrote:
Glad I'm old enough I won't live to see this. Like Dash said, driving is fun, and I like to drive. Since I pay taxes, I want to drive on the highway. Screw our robot overlords.
Are Freeways free to use now then?
 
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remorseless1 wrote:
Glad I'm old enough I won't live to see this. Like Dash said, driving is fun, and I like to drive. Since I pay taxes, I want to drive on the highway. Screw our robot overlords.

I want to see this myself. Since I can't see well enough to drive, I look forward to a day when that just doesn't matter.
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Desiderata wrote:
I can't wait for this to become a viable alternative. Humans are terrible drivers, even the ones who aren't drunk or asleep at the wheel (myself included). Let's hope for it to eventually take off on non-freeway roads as well.
I agree. Also, the NRA must be for this 100 percent, their members are always going on about how dangerous cars are and how something must be done.
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remorseless1 wrote:
Glad I'm old enough I won't live to see this. Like Dash said, driving is fun, and I like to drive. Since I pay taxes, I want to drive on the highway. Screw our robot overlords.
Are Freeways free to use now then?

Yes. We have "turnpikes" in the US that do charge every 20-25 miles or so, but most highways/freeways/interstates don't charge per usage. However, all of them were built in full or in part with taxes. So free is a relative term.
 
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remorseless1 wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
Glad I'm old enough I won't live to see this. Like Dash said, driving is fun, and I like to drive. Since I pay taxes, I want to drive on the highway. Screw our robot overlords.
Are Freeways free to use now then?

Yes. We have "turnpikes" in the US that do charge every 20-25 miles or so, but most highways/freeways/interstates don't charge per usage. However, all of them were built in full or in part with taxes. So free is a relative term.
Odd I am sire that one of our finest used toll freeways, and private run ones at that.
 
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The faster we ban human drivers, the better.

Tens of thousands of lives saved a year. Faster commute times (almost zero traffic ever). No downsides, really.
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remorseless1 wrote:
Glad I'm old enough I won't live to see this. Like Dash said, driving is fun, and I like to drive. Since I pay taxes, I want to drive on the highway. Screw our robot overlords.


I am sure that there could still be private 'road' circuits with an exciting layout with lots of swoops and hills and things for those who still want to drive for fun.

I'm not a driver myself but I guess a nice 20 or 30 mile circuit as described is going to be more fun than your morning commute.
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andyl wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
Glad I'm old enough I won't live to see this. Like Dash said, driving is fun, and I like to drive. Since I pay taxes, I want to drive on the highway. Screw our robot overlords.


I am sure that there could still be private 'road' circuits with an exciting layout with lots of swoops and hills and things for those who still want to drive for fun.

I'm not a driver myself but I guess a nice 20 or 30 mile circuit as described is going to be more fun than your morning commute.


Or alternately you could just play a driving video game while your robot was driving you to work. Think Microsoft Driving simulator.
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Shampoo4you wrote:
No downsides, really.

You would lose the freedom to kill another driver. What are you a communist or something? The American dream is to be able to kill anyone for anything at anytime.
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remorseless1 wrote:
Glad I'm old enough I won't live to see this. Like Dash said, driving is fun, and I like to drive. Since I pay taxes, I want to drive on the highway. Screw our robot overlords.

Are you over 90? If not, there is a damned good chance you'll live long enough to see this happen, at least on some roads. Very likely this will happen in the 10 to 15 year time frame. In any case, you'll also be very happy to make use of a cheap method of transportation when you get too old to be able to drive reliably. Earlier this year I bought what I assume will be the last car I'll ever own.
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The real issue as I see it is if they require everyone to purchase a new self-driving car. I don't want to buy a new car. I just got one this year.

If they set it up like a service (like uber) where you can just order a pickup and drop off then that would be great, but then you have cars traveling extra miles before pickup and drop off which leads to more pollution and traffic.

My guess is that the real solution will be a slow transition to self-driving cars over the next 20 years. At some point certain roads (like freeways) will become self-driving only. But I think the transition will be a long one.
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Styro wrote:
If they set it up like a service (like uber) where you can just order a pickup and drop off then that would be great, but then you have cars traveling extra miles before pickup and drop off which leads to more pollution and traffic.

With enough critical mass this could be optimized a lot. I think eventually car ownership will dwindle and it will be handled more as a subscription service. Maybe it becomes a business perk (with sharing) so work travel is taken out of the picture and you only need worry about personal travel.
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