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I'm currently reading 'Slaughter at Halbe' (Le Tissier) and it could really do with a good map - I was wondering if anyone know of any wargame which covers the area in detail? I.e. the area from the Oder river where the 9th army was initially positioned to Beelitz where they eventually linked up with the 12th Army.
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Most of the games covering the East Front in 1945 that I can think of also have cover the campaign in Poland (e.g., Red Storm over the Reich), which results in the Oder-Berlin area only being half a dozen hexes at most...
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patton1138 wrote:
Most of the games covering the East Front in 1945 that I can think of also have cover the campaign in Poland (e.g., Red Storm over the Reich), which results in the Oder-Berlin area only being half a dozen hexes at most...

Yup - that's the problem with most of the maps that I have looked at - or they focus nearly entirely on Berlin and it's suburbs.
 
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Not sure if To the Wolf's Lair! covers the area. At eight miles/hex, it won't be very detailed if it does.
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Westie wrote:
Not sure if To the Wolf's Lair! covers the area. At eight miles/hex, it won't be very detailed if it does.

I suspect that will be too far north and east.
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Here's a Geeklist of games covering the end of the war in the East. Doesn't look like there's anything that has what you want.

https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/196570
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Is this helpful?

http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=4929
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Can't find anything that covers Halbe. Forlorn Struggles: Operations Gemse and Südwind covers a lot of the units that fought there, but about a month earlier.
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Westie wrote:
Here's a Geeklist of games covering the end of the war in the East. Doesn't look like there's anything that has what you want.

https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/196570


Race for Berlin: The Final Struggle - covers the right area but is not quite detailed enough.
 
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Arcology wrote:


Certainly the right area but again a bit more detail would be good.
 
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Evidently these two games can be combined, so they might cover the area. Not sure if English rules are available; how's your Polish?

Berlin 1945

Czerwony Huragan (Budziszyn 1945)



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domus_ludorum wrote:
I'm currently reading 'Slaughter at Halbe' (Le Tissier) and it could really do with a good map - I was wondering if anyone know of any wargame which covers the area in detail? I.e. the area from the Oder river where the 9th army was initially positioned to Beelitz where they eventually linked up with the 12th Army.


I doubt there'll be any wargame map that covers the area in detail let alone depict the battle (besides an operational level game).

Instead just look at the OKH maps. This one is dated April 25, 1945 and is zoomed into the area around Halbe.

(Warning: the zoomed in map is HUGE)

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Here's a link to a number of maps of the battle.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=halbe+pocket+map&client=fi...
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Thanks for all the suggestions - I had googled it and seen the OKH maps but it is really hard to read the place names. Using google maps of present day Germany was easier.

The Polish game again doesn't go down to quite enough detail - but it does look nice.
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I appreciate knowing this about Le Tissier's book. He's a specialist on this period, and it's too bad that this book doesn't seem to have an adequate map. How's the rest of it?
 
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Arcology wrote:
I appreciate knowing this about Le Tissier's book. He's a specialist on this period, and it's too bad that this book doesn't seem to have an adequate map. How's the rest of it?


It's a pet gripe of mine that many, many books on military history don't have adequate maps. The text will frequently refer to the importance in a battle of some landscape feature or village or town and when you turn to the map it's not shown. Happens all the time.
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Arcology wrote:
I appreciate knowing this about Le Tissier's book. He's a specialist on this period, and it's too bad that this book doesn't seem to have an adequate map. How's the rest of it?

I'm not far enough into it yet to give a fair response on this - but the initial chapters setting the scene for the 9th Army break-out/destruction seems a little rushed in terms of this corp went here, this division ws redirected on the axis of townB/townB and definitely needs a better map to make sense of.

There are some nice excerpts from the diaries of Busse, Zhukhov and Koniev and some first-hand tit-bits from those unfortunate enough to be on involved on the ground, but none of it (so far) feels as well developed or woven into a coherent narrative as Beevor did in his book on the fall of Berlin. I'm hoping there will be more detail when it actually gets to the battles in and around Halbe.
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