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So I went to lunch with one of my arch conservative friends today and during the course of conversation he said something about Barack and...

I asked him- what do you call president bush? "President bush or Bush". How about Clinton? "President clinton or Clinton" and Reagan? "President Reagan or Reagan".

I pointed out how he was being disrespectful to President Obama and the office of the president.

He actually picked it up quickly and it was President Obama the rest of the conversation. Who knows if it will carry to elsewhere in his life.

We also had a pleasant conversation about how he's going to vote trump (not against hillary but for trump) and how I'm going to vote for clinton. Then personal gossip and families.

I guess it's because we weren't on the internet.
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maxo-texas wrote:
what do you call president bush?


Dubya.
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maxo-texas wrote:
what do you call president bush?


Dubya.


But most anime watchers preferred Subya.
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maxo-texas wrote:
what do you call president bush?

The guy who turned me off the Republican party and rendered the Bill of Rights meaningless.
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Drew1365 wrote:
I look forward to Mac bullying his pals to be equally respectful of "President Trump." Who knows if it will carry to elsewhere in his life.


As I've already said as much in other threads, if trump is elected president, I will refer to him as president trump and then trump* in conversation showing the office of the presidency the respect it merits.

JUNE 5th,
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/22862321#22862321
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I won't vote for him and at this point, I think he can't win.
But if he does, I'll give my respect to President Trump.


SEPT 22nd,
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/23775061#23775061
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Now a brief message. I think trump is a terrible candidate. I think he'll plunder the country for his personal wealth like a 3rd world dictator and he'll enable a lot of bad people while he's in office.

That said, IF he is elected I will give him the respect that the office deserves. I will not disparage a sitting president even if he is a narcissistic sociopathic idiot. I can say that now because he's still just a candidate.


*you don't have to say president repeatedly per acceptable usage and style guidelines.
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Drew1365 wrote:
I look forward to Mac bullying his pals to be equally respectful of "President Trump." Who knows if it will carry to elsewhere in his life.


That would be weird. Why would anyone call Hillary Clinton, President Trump?
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MWChapel wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
I look forward to Mac bullying his pals to be equally respectful of "President Trump." Who knows if it will carry to elsewhere in his life.


That would be weird. Why would anyone call Hillary Clinton, President Trump?
She farts a lot?
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Drew1365 wrote:
I look forward to Mac bullying his pals to be equally respectful of "President Trump." Who knows if it will carry to elsewhere in his life.
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That would be weird. Why would anyone call Hillary Clinton, President Trump?
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Drew1365 wrote:
I look forward to Mac bullying his pals to be equally respectful of "President Trump." Who knows if it will carry to elsewhere in his life.


Is it just me or is Drew sounding more and more like a Trump supporter?
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Drew1365 wrote:
I look forward to Mac bullying his pals to be equally respectful of "President Trump." Who knows if it will carry to elsewhere in his life.


Is it just me or is Drew sounding more and more like a Trump supporter?
It's just you. He sounds as much of a supporter now as he ever did to me.
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I almost always just use their last name. I don’t have a feeling of respect for the office. They serve us.
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mlcarter815 wrote:
I almost always just use their last name. I don’t have a feeling of respect for the office. They serve us.


Personally, I think calling 'em Obama, Bush, etc is OK. Save the "President X" stuff for more formal occasions.
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wifwendell wrote:
mlcarter815 wrote:
I almost always just use their last name. I don’t have a feeling of respect for the office. They serve us.


Personally, I think calling 'em Obama, Bush, etc is OK. Save the "President X" stuff for more formal occasions.


I agree. If he had equally called him "Obama" vs "Bush" I wouldn't have raised the issue. It was the "Barack" vs "Bush".

On a related note-- I noticed Clinton was calling Trump "Donald" during the debate and I now think it was intentional to show subtle disrespect and get under his skin.

(Edit: it's also possible it's intentional retaliation for his use of "hillary").

(Edit, Edit... No- she uses it first. Very early in the debate).
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wifwendell wrote:
mlcarter815 wrote:
I almost always just use their last name. I don’t have a feeling of respect for the office. They serve us.


Personally, I think calling 'em Obama, Bush, etc is OK. Save the "President X" stuff for more formal occasions.


I agree. If he had equally called him "Obama" vs "Bush" I wouldn't have raised the issue. It was the "Barack" vs "Bush".

On a related note-- I noticed Clinton was calling Trump "Donald" during the debate and I now think it was intentional to show subtle disrespect and get under his skin.


He doesn't get that much. He's always "Mr. Trump" to his subordinates in his company, etc. Presumably doesn't apply to Melania.
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Maybe your friend didn't want to confuse his subject matter with the future President Malia.
 
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maxo-texas wrote:
what do you call president bush?

The guy who turned me off the Republican party and rendered the Bill of Rights meaningless.


What do you think of Obama(I WON'T claim him) ignoring the consitution and separation of power and threatening the Scotus and.. This could take a while.
 
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whac3 wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
what do you call president bush?

The guy who turned me off the Republican party and rendered the Bill of Rights meaningless.


What do you think of Obama(I WON'T claim him) ignoring the consitution and separation of power and threatening the Scotus and.. This could take a while.


I'm only going to bother with one so lets go with threatening Scotus.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/219667-gop-...

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On Monday, Obama said that he was "confident the Supreme Court would uphold the law." He added that it would be "unprecedented" for the high court to rule the individual mandate unconstitutional and said that the court should not act without "judicial restraint" and overturn "a duly constituted and passed law."


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"Only someone who would browbeat the Court during the State of the Union, and whose administration stifled speech during the health care debate, would try to intimidate the Court while it's deliberating one of the most consequential cases of our time," McConnell said in a statement.



Really? Do you really think the supreme court felt threatened by this? LOL. So basically it's a republican opinion. It's not the supreme court's opinion. And it doesn't even make the fact checking sites radar yet.

So the rest of your points are probably horse shit as well.



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I say "Barack" more than "Obama" or "President Obama". I expect that will be the same with Hillary. Hell, all of her campaign materials say "Hillary", she can hardly be upset or offended that people call her that. I drive by her campaign headquarters in San Francisco lately, there are several large signs that say "Hillary".

I think it's mostly about identifiability. George W Bush didn't run as "George" because there are lots of Georges. But Hillary runs as Hillary because "Hillary" is more identifiable than "Clinton". And Barack is on the fence because both of his names are highly unique.
 
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DaviddesJ wrote:
I say "Barack" more than "Obama" or "President Obama". I expect that will be the same with Hillary. Hell, all of her campaign materials say "Hillary", she can hardly be upset or offended that people call her that. I drive by her campaign headquarters in San Francisco lately, there are several large signs that say "Hillary".

I think it's mostly about identifiability. George W Bush didn't run as "George" because there are lots of Georges. But Hillary runs as Hillary because "Hillary" is more identifiable than "Clinton". And Barack is on the fence because both of his names are highly unique.


Interesting...

If you met him personally at a fund raiser, what would you call him?

I agree with your point on Hillary. I might be overreacting to people like Bill Cunningham.

 
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maxo-texas wrote:
If you met him personally at a fund raiser, what would you call him?


I'd say "President Obama" or "Mr President" or "the President" if I were talking directly to him, or about him, in his presence, because it seems appropriately respectful. But I say "Barack" when I'm talking about him with his close aides or advisors (and they do the same, in my experience).
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Usually I say "Obama" because it is faster than "President Obama". I usually call former president George W. Bush as "Bush 43" to distinguish him from his father. I call Hillary Clinton "Hillary" to distinguish her from former president Bill Clinton.
 
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I suspect Obama will be a far better ex president than his predecessor, and that, no matter who wins, I'll miss having him as POTUS.

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knucklesamwich wrote:
whac3 wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
what do you call president bush?

The guy who turned me off the Republican party and rendered the Bill of Rights meaningless.


What do you think of Obama(I WON'T claim him) ignoring the consitution and separation of power and threatening the Scotus and.. This could take a while.

Obama was the man who could have and should have fixed the damage that Bush II did to Constitutional protects-- but not only refused to do so instead made it worse. For example, by executive order, types of torture even Bush II wouldn't allow are permitted. One just has to do more paperwork. The Patriot Act is in full force. According to its own laws, the US gov't can hold anyone it wants to, taken anywhere in the world, and no due process is needed-- so long as the spectre of "national security" can be raised. How convenient!

Wasn't Obama at one point doing Constitutional law? Shouldn't he know better?
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Obama was the man who could have and should have fixed the damage that Bush II did to Constitutional protects-- but not only refused to do so instead made it worse. For example, by executive order, types of torture even Bush II wouldn't allow are permitted. One just has to do more paperwork. The Patriot Act is in full force. According to its own laws, the US gov't can hold anyone it wants to, taken anywhere in the world, and no due process is needed-- so long as the spectre of "national security" can be raised. How convenient!


Your country is a lot worse, right?
 
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