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David Umstattd
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So I'm a huge fan of this games components. But there are a few very small things that confuse me/annoy me. One of which being the extensive use of "STAR DESTROYER/S IN SPACE" as a source for a whole lot of imperial cards, but a much more jarring one is the art on Sabotage.


Sabotage shows the screen for the plan the rebels had to sabotage the Death Star's shield generator. Now, in game you can't sabotage remote systems, nor are imperial shield generators a thing (yet? :-/) and so the lore isn't even there. That sabotage mission was on a military base to destroy units. Not an industrial mission to destroy production capacity. Which is what the actual sabotage mission is.

And you don't sabotage the DS. You sabotage the planet. This is why there was that confusion on if you should be able to sabotage the DSUC's system to keep it from being placed. Because that's literally what the card shows.


I would have accepted a picture of the shield generator's satellite dish exploding. Or a bunch of rebel operatives setting charges on a space dock. Something more akin to what the card represents.

Yeah I know it's to late now and my complaints are moot. But when Rebellion Second Eddition comes out maybe consider having better art in a few areas.

Most of your art is great though. 8/10 would look at a picture of X-Wing attacking a space station again.
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Wow, you're right.

I was so impressed that these guys used art instead of screen stills I didn't notice.
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Wow, you are taking this way too seriously.
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Honestly, as far as art goes, what bothers me most is how Dodonna looks way more like a cartoon character than any other leaders.
 
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Slashdoctor wrote:
Wow, you are taking this way too seriously.


STAR WARS IS SRIUS BISNES! >:-(
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David Umstattd wrote:
Sabotage shows the screen for the plan the rebels had to sabotage the Death Star's shield generator.


Aaaand that is why the card makes sense! It's a fantastic looking card too! Complaining about it is a bit much.



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I would have accepted a picture of the shield generator's satellite dish exploding.


Glad you would have accepted that . Granted, that would have looked pretty cool if done by a good artist, sure.

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Or a bunch of rebel operatives setting charges on a space dock. Something more akin to what the card represents.


Might have looked okay, depending on the artist, but a little boring too. I'd rather have the red Death Star Holo than that.

A lot of the time art is reused. FFG doesn't commission a new piece of art for every card, so they make do with new art coming in and older Star Wars art.

There are so many other cards to "complain" about if that's what you want to do. For card theme, Display of Power is odd.



It's a diplomatic card, and it shows a battle. No battle happens when you play the card. A menacing picture of the Imperial Fleet, or the Death Star, or a Legion of Troopers would have got the "sabre rattling" aspect of the card across better.

Cut Supply Lines is imho the ugliest card in the game. The art looks bad on it.



I nitpick at Rogue Squadron when I see it. The X-Wings are flying in some kind of base and they just look a little weird. Not even the Blue Angels fly like that.

Kind of wish there was a more kick ass looking card for the epic Rogue Squadron. When I think of them, I always think of them in Space too. But if the X-Wing positions on the card didn't look so goofy, and it was a well drawn attack run on a ground target, I don't think I'd care where they were, as long as it looked cool!



That being said, the art is great in this game. If I can only pick 1 card I find ugly, 1 card I find weird looking and 1 card I find not very thematic to what the card does, well that's not so bad!



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R2EQ wrote:
It's a diplomatic card, and it shows a battle. No battle happens when you play the card. A menacing picture of the Imperial Fleet, or the Death Star, or a Legion of Troopers would have got the "sabre rattling" aspect of the card across better.

While I see your point, and in terms of gameplay there is no battle, that doesn't mean that there wasn't some kind of skirmish somewhere. Games like this are obviously very abstracted, and there are battles going on all over, just not ones that end up being critical in the long run (which I'd say is what the game is meant to represent). So the card could be propaganda from a battle (shown or not) that is used to strike fear into their hearts, maybe forcibly displayed on everyone's holo-TV of "this is what awaits you if you don't stop dissenting."

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As others have said it is odd Display of Power doesn't require the presence of any imposing Imperial unit in the vicinity of the system like Rule By Fear does. I suppose the in-game explanation of this could be the diplomat broadcasting a vicious Imperial victory to a system's population.

But I agree they could have picked a different picture for sabotage. I'm not familiar with FFG's art but Han with a thermal detonator from the Battle of Endor would have been good.

I'm pretty sure Dodonna is supposed to be pictured for Plan the Assault but he looks off.
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R2EQ wrote:


Cut Supply Lines is imho the ugliest card in the game. The art looks bad on it.



I nitpick at Rogue Squadron when I see it. The X-Wings are flying in some kind of base and they just look a little weird. Not even the Blue Angels fly like that.

Kind of wish there was a more kick ass looking card for the epic Rogue Squadron. When I think of them, I always think of them in Space too. But if the X-Wing positions on the card didn't look so goofy, and it was a well drawn attack run on a ground target, I don't think I'd care where they were, as long as it looked cool!



That being said, the art is great in this game. If I can only pick 1 card I find ugly, 1 card I find weird looking and 1 card I find not very thematic to what the card does, well that's not so bad!





The last two arts actually comes from the "Rogue Squadron" novel series.
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Darth Coupon wrote:
As others have said it is odd Display of Power doesn't require the presence of any imposing Imperial unit in the vicinity of the system like Rule By Fear does. I suppose the in-game explanation of this could be the diplomat broadcasting a vicious Imperial victory to a system's population.

But I agree they could have picked a different picture for sabotage. I'm not familiar with FFG's art but Han with a thermal detonator from the Battle of Endor would have been good.

I'm pretty sure Dodonna is supposed to be pictured for Plan the Assault but he looks off.


You are right, when I started reading this thread I went and found the art for the card:


and then googled the actor Ron Perlman:



Thats what Dondanna looks like on Plan the assault.
Han looks a little funny on his mission card too.

Besides that I think the art is great.
I agree that the picture on sabotage is "wrong" because sabotaging a remote system is disallowed, but i am ok with it.

Lastly I also noticed that the card art for a lot of the cards has previously been used in other FFG starwars games.
 
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jooice wrote:

You are right, when I started reading this thread I went and found the art for the card:


and then googled the actor Ron Perlman:



Thats what Dondanna looks like on Plan the assault.
Han looks a little funny on his mission card too.


You are totally right, I was wondering who the dodona card reminded me, now it is obvious :)
 
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Heh, Ron Perlman is a great sci-fi/fantasy actor, he should have a role in the SW universe. If they're gonna throw silly voice cameos at Daniel Craig then Perlman deserves something more substantial.
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Darth Coupon wrote:
Heh, Ron Perlman is a great sci-fi/fantasy actor, he should have a role in the SW universe. If they're gonna throw silly voice cameos at Daniel Craig then Perlman deserves something more substantial.


Maybe he is going to be a slightly younger Dodanna in Rogue One, and FFG knew about this and they designed the card accordingly.
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jooice wrote:
Darth Coupon wrote:
Heh, Ron Perlman is a great sci-fi/fantasy actor, he should have a role in the SW universe. If they're gonna throw silly voice cameos at Daniel Craig then Perlman deserves something more substantial.


Maybe he is going to be a slightly younger Dodanna in Rogue One, and FFG knew about this and they designed the card accordingly.

Nah unfortunately not. You can see Dodona hanging around the Rebel base in the background in one of the trailers.
 
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The most glaring art fault in the game to me are the leader cards. They are cards that represent characters, and their backs feature a picture of...an empty freighter cockpit? And the only thing differentiating the two decks is the Empire one is slightly darker?

SO many new players constantly asking "what is this deck again?" when they glance at the featureless leader/action deck.

It should be something like the Rebel/Empire insignia with portraits of iconic characters around it. Luke/Leia/Han/Lando/Mon-Mothma around a Rebel insignia, Emperor/Vader/Tarkin/Boba around an Empire insignia.


Same thing about the backs to mission cards to a lesser extent. At least they have the insignias. But they need, at bare minimum, text on them that says "Missions", or more ideally some art depicting movie "mission" scenes. Again, it leads to a lot of new players situations where they're staring at 3 different decks asking "Which one is this again?"

The tactics deck should (ideally by scraped altogether) also have "Tactics" printed on the backs. I've had plenty of people mistake the leader deck for the space tactics deck since it's a spaceship cockpit.

Compare this to a game like Arkham Horror that has 4 times the number of decks yet avoids most confusion with easy to identify card backs.
 
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I'm sure printing text on the back was probably off the table from the beginning as it makes localization that much more difficult. (Yes, I know the text on the front has to change, but in theory, if an expansion is made or something, the card backs should look the same no matter what language, in case for whatever reason they don't localize the expansion the same way as the base game).

That all said, my 13-year-old has never had any trouble remembering which deck is which.
 
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fahbs2000 wrote:
The most glaring art fault in the game to me are the leader cards. They are cards that represent characters, and their backs feature a picture of...an empty freighter cockpit? And the only thing differentiating the two decks is the Empire one is slightly darker?

SO many new players constantly asking "what is this deck again?" when they glance at the featureless leader/action deck.

It should be something like the Rebel/Empire insignia with portraits of iconic characters around it. Luke/Leia/Han/Lando/Mon-Mothma around a Rebel insignia, Emperor/Vader/Tarkin/Boba around an Empire insignia.



Any fan of Star Wars would know the rebel deck shows the cockpit of the Millenium Falcon and the empire one shows a tie cockpit.
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