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Can someone recommend an alternative to "The Russian Campaign"? Alternative game should have a similar scale in a WW2 setting (Eastern or Western front) and is currently in print or available for a reasonable second-hand price.

There is a P500 at GMT, which I pre-ordered... But not sure when this will ship.

The Vassal module could also be an option, but the related rule book uses a strange font type that is pretty tiring to read after a couple of pages. Is anyone playing this on Vassal?

Looking forward to your ideas. meeple

 
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Either HoldFast: Russia 1941-1942 or No Retreat! The Russian Front
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SquadGamer wrote:

Can someone recommend an alternative to "The Russian Campaign"? Alternative game should have a similar scale in a WW2 setting (Eastern or Western front) and is currently in print or available for a reasonable second-hand price.

There seems to be P500 at GMT. Not sure when this will ship.

The Vassal module could also be an option, but the related rule book uses a strange font type that is pretty tiring to read after a couple of pages. Is anyone playing this on Vassal?

Looking forward to your ideas. meeple



I'd recommend Trial of Strength. You can get the first edition by Panther Games on the second hand market - I see there's a copy on BGG listed for $35. It's a game by Dave O'Connor who is an absolutely brilliant designer who's now focused on the Command Ops 2 series on the pc. However there's a reprint of TOS coming in the near future from Lock n Load Games.

Okay now why do I recommend it?

1) Combined movement and combat system. Depending on the size of a battle you fight and the number of Mp's the battle hex will generate movement penalties to subsequent units which helps to model friction. A big battle involving more units will generate bigger delays than smaller battles.

2) Neat system utilizing HQ's and off map storage boxes for the corps under the HQ. So that panzer army may have a bunch of panzer corps in it or it may have a bunch of infantry corps in it ala 2nd panzer army in 1944.

3) Step reductions - the corps and army manoeuver units are multi step and often have more than two steps. So there's more granularity as units get reduced down. The nice thing is that in combination with the off map boxes you'll never be quite sure how weak or strong some of those army/front Hq units are.

Great game, you may want to wait for the reprint.

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/8208/trial-strength

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If a true solitaire game is of interest, I highly recommend The Barbarossa Campaign.
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Absolute War! - The Attack on Russia 1941-45 looks interesting.

Im also waiting with baited breath to autopreorder mmp's forthcoming barbarossa game based on the A Victory Lost and A Victory Denied series.
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I just got Barbarossa Deluxe, an updating of Barbarossa: The Russo-German War, 1941-45 (which I have not played). A lot of chrome, but the basic system is pretty simple. Looks good. Interesting how the game portrays the gradual decline of the Wehrmacht and improvement of the Red Army.
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Westie wrote:
I just got Barbarossa Deluxe, an updating of Barbarossa: The Russo-German War, 1941-45 (which I have not played). A lot of crome, but the basic system is pretty simple. Looks good. Interesting how the game portrays the gradual decline of the Wehrmacht and improvement of the Red Army.


I've done a Vassal mod for that game which is available at the Decision Games site. My friend Bill had the original game and has a lot of good things to say about it. I'm looking to get a game of Barbarossa Deluxe and it does look like a really neat game.

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Re: Alternative to the Russian Campaignm
Russia Besieged is literally an evolution from Russian Campaign with a bit more polish.
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kentreuber wrote:


was about to recommend the same. Maybe Holdfast is simpler and faster than no retreat for the same results (1941-Jan 43)
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Try this one. Pretty accessible on the secondary market. Still well supported by guys who love it.
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The reprint for No Retreat: The Russian Front should ship "Mid-Late November, 2016" from P500. Same as the first print, but with some updates to the cards for clarity and minor changes (also available separately).
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"...Eastern or Western Front..."
Consimworld forum can give you a list of almost every game made for either front.
BGG pages can give you scale, counters, map-size, ratings, playing time, owners, etc. production date, and same-page Geeklists can give you similar games.
Ebay (as a market), cannot give you a complete list of anything because of non-specific game-titles and listings.
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narodynot wrote:


Try this one. Pretty accessible on the secondary market. Still well supported by guys who love it.


*Two Thumbs up* Just wish a western Front + Italian Front set would have been made and a combining campaign system and it would have been a perfect game covering the whole war from 1941 onward.

Also many "what-if" situations with that would possible.

Too sorry it never happened.
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Interesting video review from June 2016 of Marco Arnaudo's top 10 WW2 Eastern Front games:




He made a video review in the same fashion for WW2 Western front games:




Although it involves different scales and levels of complexity, I think that gives a pretty good overview of titles that could be of interest.
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Duempel51 wrote:
narodynot wrote:


Try this one. Pretty accessible on the secondary market. Still well supported by guys who love it.


*Two Thumbs up* Just wish a western Front + Italian Front set would have been made and a combining campaign system and it would have been a perfect game covering the whole war from 1941 onward.

Also many "what-if" situations with that would possible.

Too sorry it never happened.


You should try the UGG games Empires of Apocalypse games (Morsecode, Triumph and Fall of the Desert Fox, and Cold Days in Hell). They use a very similar system.

Morsecode ···–

Triumph and Fall of the Desert Fox

Cold Days in Hell
 
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Ukraine '43, from GMT Games.
 
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There really is no substitute for TRC IF you take into account the following points:

Smooth very easy play - huge map that fits on a normal table - big exploits in second step mechanised movement - simple but oh so well thought out supply and railroad systems - exciting and competitive shorter scenarios.

Mr Paradis as a kind of ode to TRC made No Retreat: the Russian Front a few years ago, but while it is a good game, it lacked the fluid big "physical" encirclements or breakthroughs seen in TRC.

The same goes for The Dark Valley by Mr Ted Raicer, but equally it doesn't check all the points that TRC made so special as a teaching tool for PLAYABLE intermediate historical wargames.


I would just advice to get a cheap second hand copy of TRC. It simply is a game that belongs in every wargamer's inventory.

And I am pretty sure even these 2 gentlemen above would agree about TRC. It was and still is a milestone to introduce newer gamers to hex based wargaming.

EDIT: The TRC 3rd Edition from Avalon Hill can be obtained at lower prices than the deluxe 4rd edition reprint of L2. Try finding a heavely used copy.
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