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So, what happens now that Fantasy Flight and Games Workshop have parted ways and the game is maybe/possibly/seemingly out of print?

What would YOU like to see happen?

1) Fantasy Flight releases a reprint of the game with a brand new theme.

2) Games Workshop releases the game as-is themselves a few months down the road.


With a game as popular as this, could BOTH happen?

What is the most likely? Any chance Fantasy Flight could just license it from Games Workshop like some of their other IP's (Star Wars)?

The Bram Stoker novel itself is public domain, so other than maybe the name of the game, I don't see how Games Workshop could really "own" the rights to the characters or anything.

Thoughts?
 
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TheMadMime wrote:
So, what happens now that Fantasy Flight and Games Workshop have parted ways and the game is maybe/possibly/seemingly out of print?

What would YOU like to see happen?

1) Fantasy Flight releases a reprint of the game with a brand new theme.

2) Games Workshop releases the game as-is themselves a few months down the road.


With a game as popular as this, could BOTH happen?

What is the most likely? Any chance Fantasy Flight could just license it from Games Workshop like some of their other IP's (Star Wars)?

The Bram Stoker novel itself is public domain, so other than maybe the name of the game, I don't see how Games Workshop could really "own" the rights to the characters or anything.

Thoughts?


Let it go a few years OOP.

It was originally put out in 1987, went 18 years until its first reprint in 2005, then 10 years until a reprint in 2015.
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The best bet would be for Asmodee to acquire GDW and hand FoD back to its FFG subsidiary. The second best bet would be for GDW and FFG to renegotiate a new license agreement, after a cooling off period.
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Half the beauty of the game is the theme. So I don't think this works as a reskin.

I find the option of GW releasing a version of the game to be the best available, however unpalatable (in my opinion).
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If FFG does reskin the game, due to the detective nature of the game, I could see it being done so in their newly expanded Android universe. A cat-n-mouse hunt through New LA with both physical and virtual locations.
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JonHook wrote:
If FFG does reskin the game, due to the detective nature of the game, I could see it being done so in their newly expanded Android universe. A cat-n-mouse hunt through New LA with both physical and virtual locations.


That is an awesome idea.
 
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JonHook wrote:
If FFG does reskin the game, due to the detective nature of the game, I could see it being done so in their newly expanded Android universe. A cat-n-mouse hunt through New LA with both physical and virtual locations.


Yeah, that sounds cool. I'd like that.
You should probably pitch that to them.

Otherwise, I'm not sure how much Games Workshop can do to stop FFG making their own Dracula hidden movement game. Dracula is public domain and no one has rights to hidden-movement mechanic (I assume, I have not checked that in the slightest).
 
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mrsuitcase wrote:
Half the beauty of the game is the theme. So I don't think this works as a reskin.

I find the option of GW releasing a version of the game to be the best available, however unpalatable (in my opinion).


This is post-Asmodee Fantasy Flight we are talking about here, so let's be realistic

There will be two editions, one featuring a rag-tag band of rebels hunting a Sith and the other Stormtroopers hunting a Jedi. One of them could even be planet based and the other a map of the galaxy.
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Angurvaki wrote:
mrsuitcase wrote:
Half the beauty of the game is the theme. So I don't think this works as a reskin.

I find the option of GW releasing a version of the game to be the best available, however unpalatable (in my opinion).


This is post-Asmodee Fantasy Flight we are talking about here, so let's be realistic

There will be two editions, one featuring a rag-tag band of rebels hunting a Sith and the other Stormtroopers hunting a Jedi. One of them could even be planet based and the other a map of the galaxy.

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Batesmates wrote:
JonHook wrote:
If FFG does reskin the game, due to the detective nature of the game, I could see it being done so in their newly expanded Android universe. A cat-n-mouse hunt through New LA with both physical and virtual locations.


Yeah, that sounds cool. I'd like that.
You should probably pitch that to them.

Otherwise, I'm not sure how much Games Workshop can do to stop FFG making their own Dracula hidden movement game. Dracula is public domain and no one has rights to hidden-movement mechanic (I assume, I have not checked that in the slightest).

Of course, FFG still has Letters From Whitechapel. They could always just expand that universe if they wanted.
 
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TheMadMime wrote:
Angurvaki wrote:
mrsuitcase wrote:
Half the beauty of the game is the theme. So I don't think this works as a reskin.

I find the option of GW releasing a version of the game to be the best available, however unpalatable (in my opinion).


This is post-Asmodee Fantasy Flight we are talking about here, so let's be realistic

There will be two editions, one featuring a rag-tag band of rebels hunting a Sith and the other Stormtroopers hunting a Jedi. One of them could even be planet based and the other a map of the galaxy.

Fury of Vader

wow


Okay, you've convinced me it can be rethemed. I'd buy that. Except Vadar and the Empire are the hunters, and the rebels use the hidden movement...

... hmmm... nevermind. I guess they already rethemed this one: Star Wars: Rebellion
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I'd be up for an Android reskin. It would be nice to have another game in that setting that plays up the detective side of the setting. I feel like that could be more fleshed out. The theme of Android the boardgame is already several detectives trying to chase down a murder suspect. It would change to a many versus one game with hidden movement instead of the every detective for himself style game play the Android.

I was going to suggest as an alternative in the Android setting a game with corporate security trying to prevent criminals and runners from stealing corporate assets, but I wonder if that might feel too similar to Spectre Ops though.
 
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Re-theming Fury of Dracula isn't really relevant to what will happen to the game itself. As was mentioned there is letters from White Chapel and other hidden movement games that are currently in the works like "Hunt for the Ring" by Ares where the nazgul hunt down frodo and company. Unless the game is a Dracula game it will be very different from Fury of Dracula just as there are a variety of worker placement games, deck building games, etc.

I expect Games Workshop will try to update it or release it as is themselves if they are legally able.
 
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This is GW here. They'll probably sit on Fury of Dracula for 8 years, realize there is a lot of demand for it, release a new edition with a tiny print run that sells out before it even reaches stores and refuse to do it again for another decade.
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JonHook wrote:
If FFG does reskin the game, due to the detective nature of the game, I could see it being done so in their newly expanded Android universe. A cat-n-mouse hunt through New LA with both physical and virtual locations.


I'd actually think it'd be fun if it were set in their new five rings universe. Get some japanese mythology themeing with Onis and samurai.
 
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MOTUX wrote:
This is GW here. They'll probably sit on Fury of Dracula for 8 years, realize there is a lot of demand for it, release a new edition with a tiny print run that sells out before it even reaches stores and refuse to do it again for another decade.


Is there really a lot of demand for it though? FFG waited 10 years between their editions and in that time there wasn't a massive amount of clamouring for it. I would imagine that most people who really wanted it have just scooped it up in the mass panic buying inspired by the announcement of the FFG/GW split. I really doubt that GW would view this game as a goldmine that's just got to be reprinted.
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The most unfortunate thing about the whole situation is, after being out of print and hard to obtain for several years, we FINALLY got it back... and now it's gone again.

I don't even think it was even out for a whole year this time was it?
 
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panzer-attack wrote:
MOTUX wrote:
This is GW here. They'll probably sit on Fury of Dracula for 8 years, realize there is a lot of demand for it, release a new edition with a tiny print run that sells out before it even reaches stores and refuse to do it again for another decade.


Is there really a lot of demand for it though? FFG waited 10 years between their editions and in that time there wasn't a massive amount of clamouring for it. I would imagine that most people who really wanted it have just scooped it up in the mass panic buying inspired by the announcement of the FFG/GW split. I really doubt that GW would view this game as a goldmine that's just got to be reprinted.


Exactly. Fury of Dracula isn't Blood Bowl or Space Hulk, it's a niche game tied to some nostalgia but there are plenty of other deduction/hidden movement games out there that scratch a similar itch. If it never gets reprinted again it will be largely forgotten, aside from a vocal minority.
 
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SpoDaddy wrote:
panzer-attack wrote:
MOTUX wrote:
This is GW here. They'll probably sit on Fury of Dracula for 8 years, realize there is a lot of demand for it, release a new edition with a tiny print run that sells out before it even reaches stores and refuse to do it again for another decade.


Is there really a lot of demand for it though? FFG waited 10 years between their editions and in that time there wasn't a massive amount of clamouring for it. I would imagine that most people who really wanted it have just scooped it up in the mass panic buying inspired by the announcement of the FFG/GW split. I really doubt that GW would view this game as a goldmine that's just got to be reprinted.


Exactly. Fury of Dracula isn't Blood Bowl or Space Hulk, it's a niche game tied to some nostalgia but there are plenty of other deduction/hidden movement games out there that scratch a similar itch. If it never gets reprinted again it will be largely forgotten, aside from a vocal minority.


The third edition is significantly better than the earlier two editions and removes a lot of clutter of the earlier editions. That said, it is a 3-4 hour game, and no matter how good it is, there are relatively few people willing to play games that long.
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It could be rethemed with the Android universe as many have said.

I'd like it to be a runner hacking into a server with 4 sysops hunting him down ala Netrunner.

There are tracers, killers, code gates, barriers and such in that game which could be made to be the item deck and event deck. You could also make the runner have a different abilities and cards depending on which of the runners you pick. There's plenty to choose from if it was rethemed and remade. It needs a lot of reworking for that setting but would be hyyyype (I already love Netrunner). wow
 
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Personally, I think it's quite unlikely Fury of Dracula will be rethemed.
 
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Of course it will be re-skinned - into Star Wars, like everything else.

'Fury of Vader' anyone?
 
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Any edition of this game has never been particularly hard to find.

It's like you guys have one single store and if they don't have it, it's gone forever.


I think what people mean, is that they can;t buy the game for 40 bucks from Amazon, so it needs reprinting.



That said, the original is a much more interesting game than either of the FFG editions, and will remain a classic. The FFG ones will drift into obscurity.
 
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DegenerateElite wrote:


That said, the original is a much more interesting game than either of the FFG editions, and will remain a classic. The FFG ones will drift into obscurity.


By "more interesting" do you mean "a better game"?
 
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