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Another new post. About the difficulties of being playful.
Do we have a right to play?

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I'm anticipating this thread as if it were a new Spielberg movie!
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A right is the product of an enforceable social contract, usually codified in law and backed by the power of the state.

Do we have a right to play? It depends on what you mean by "play".

Most forms of play are probably protected by better defined rights (like the right to free assembly), while others are restricted (like the right to shoot yourself in the head playing Russian Roulette).

But what I think the question really wants to ask is whether we should be encouraged to pursue whatever (legal) activities we choose, however frivolous they might appear to others.

And the answer to that depends on what you mean by "right".

Again, most forms of play are probably protected (and enforceable) by law. But that doesn't mean we can expect public support, approval or accommodation.
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That was an interesting blog post (both in its sociological points and in its personal info about your new project), and not at all what I expected, so cool.
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russ wrote:
That was an interesting blog post (both in its sociological points and in its personal info about your new project), and not at all what I expected, so cool.


You may be the only one who thinks so
 
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milomilo122 wrote:
russ wrote:
That was an interesting blog post (both in its sociological points and in its personal info about your new project), and not at all what I expected, so cool.


You may be the only one who thinks so


No, not the only one.
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The comparison of competitive to imaginative play reminds me a bit about the distinction made by a video game designer (I forget who: Will Wright? Peter Molyneaux?) between games and toys.

In his discourse, games have rules and are usually played competitively for a goal, while toys have neither rules nor goals and can correspond to imaginative play.
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fogus wrote:
milomilo122 wrote:
russ wrote:
That was an interesting blog post (both in its sociological points and in its personal info about your new project), and not at all what I expected, so cool.


You may be the only one who thinks so


No, not the only one.


Thanks. I wrote that after reading some nasty comments about it on reddit. Made that part of me that suspects I'm an idiot a little bit louder. One of the perils of using writing as a tool for thinking is I'm wrong a lot.
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andre_sand wrote:
The comparison of competitive to imaginative play reminds me a bit about the distinction made by a video game designer (I forget who: Will Wright? Peter Molyneaux?) between games and toys.

In his discourse, games have rules and are usually played competitively for a goal, while toys have neither rules nor goals and can correspond to imaginative play.


Yep, I believe he's making the same distinction I am. I think it was Molyneaux?
 
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christianF wrote:
I'm anticipating this thread as if it were a new Spielberg movie!
surprise "Afraiders of the LOST 'change' under the 'Seat Cushions'!" sauron ~"OUR precious-s-s-s-s-!..."
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Not sure how deep into the "philosophy of play" you want to go, Nick, but here are a few items that may be of interest.

Two classics:

Johan Huizinga, Homo Ludens: A Study of the Play-Element in Culture

Bernard Suits, The Grasshopper


One recent PhD dissertation:

Nathaniel Gindele, A Naturalistic Philosophy of Play


Of these, I confess I've only read Suits. It's engagingly written, but a bit narrow in focus (its main aim is to propose and defend a definition of "game"). It does provocatively claim, though, that people in utopia would do nothing other than spend their time playing games!
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cdunc123 wrote:
Not sure how deep into the "philosophy of play" you want to go, Nick, but here are a few items that may be of interest.

Two classics:

Johan Huizinga, Homo Ludens: A Study of the Play-Element in Culture

Bernard Suits, The Grasshopper


One recent PhD dissertation:

Nathaniel Gindele, A Naturalistic Philosophy of Play


I'd heard of none of these. Thanks.

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Of these, I confess I've only read Suits. It's engagingly written, but a bit narrow in focus (its main aim is to propose and defend a definition of "game"). It does provocatively claim, though, that people in utopia would do nothing other than spend their time playing games!


Well of course that's true.

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I believe those famous words were:

"I disapprove of what you play, but I will defend to the death your right to play it."
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milomilo122 wrote:
cdunc123 wrote:
Not sure how deep into the "philosophy of play" you want to go, Nick, but here are a few items that may be of interest.

Two classics:

Johan Huizinga, Homo Ludens: A Study of the Play-Element in Culture

Bernard Suits, The Grasshopper


One recent PhD dissertation:

Nathaniel Gindele, A Naturalistic Philosophy of Play


I'd heard of none of these. Thanks.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Huizinga

When I was young he was kind of a household name in the Netherlands, partly due to the popularity of his son's novels about 'Adriaan en Olivier'. In intellectual circles he was generally held in high regard.
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