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Subject: Land of Zion is now LIVE on Kickstarter rss

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Eric Bittermann
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Sky Kingdom Games is excited to announce the Kickstarter launch for Land of Zion, A high fantasy themed strategic card game with unit positioning, resource management, tactical gameplay, and high replay value. The campaign will is started today October 4th and will end November 3rd.

You can check out the campaign below.

 


http://kck.st/2dZb0gB

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Andrew Rowse
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I'm genuinely perplexed by this one. It seems to be a mix of great ideas and really questionable ones, starting with the name - Zion has religious and political connotations that seems more likely to hinder than help.

The CCG model is just bizarre. That model kind of works (but not really, and never on Kickstarter!) with games in which each player brings everything they need to play, but Land of Zion needs somebody to eat the sunk cost of buying the board and other gubbins. So a person could in theory buy just cards and build a deck (of ten cards), but would only be able to play with somebody else's base game. In reality, you'd probably end up with the owner of the base game being the only one spending, collecting a bunch of cards and building decks for friends to use.

I would be interested if it were a one-and-done deal, where the game includes at least one of every card, and ideally drafting rules so that players could rapidly create a deck at the beginning of the game. I hope that their kickstarter project succeeds, but if it doesn't, I really hope they try again with a non-CCG version.
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Thanks for the feedback Andrew!

We did think about creating this title as a LCG but it would be tough given the rarity and amount of cards in the collection. Half the fun in Land of Zion is creating a deck to suit your play style and trying something new each time is great. Our team would constantly do draft nights where we would randomly pick teams and the gameplay was fantastic as well.

Constructed play however, is even better with players building teams around ability synergy and strategy. That is where the game really shines and why we wanted a collectible aspect to it.

One thing to consider is that we are including free packs at the base pledge and the booster is less than half off retail at $40.
 
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$110,000 is an enormous goal. And for a first Kickstarter.

Good luck.
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Eric Bittermann
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Yes it is Chris - we have many art designs being created by Caravan Studios. This project is an ambitious title for sure!
 
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Yeah, the goal is impossible guys. You'd know by now if you were going to make it. Designing a game is great, but on Kickstarter, you also have to know how to plan and market the game - well before the KS launches.

The illustrations are beautiful! But the game play - even after watching the video - is first of all unremarkable (?) and second of all very ponderous. It's a tough market out there! You'll need to stand out and I think simplify what you have.
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Yes, this game is very pretty, but it looks like a M:tG knockoff, and "Land of Zion" made me assume it was a Christian-themed game.

With a goal of $110,000, there is no way you were going to reach that unless you had a huge opening day, and you didn't.

Sorry, but you're going to have to rethink this one.
 
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Here are some thoughts from one of the key thinkers in the board game kickstarter landscape, James Mathe.
To CCG or not to CCG? That is the question.
 
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Thanks for the feedback everyone - we have also seen the push back on the TCG model which we struggled with ourselves while designing this title. We are gathering feedback from our play testers and current backers on the path forward and have a plan in place to re-launch next year with a LCG model. Details coming soon!

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