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Hi all,

Here is a link to a news story that I think is just breaking:

http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/35699/fantasy-flight-game...

It appears Modiphius will be partnering with Fantasy Flight on this one. This news is interesting to me for a number of reasons:

First, as someone who is not interested in a Kickstarter campaign, this perhaps makes it more likely that some of the smaller expansions will see the light of day in a major distribution channel now that a heavy hitter is involved. This could potentially be great news for those like me who have no interest in pledging for a Kickstarter (there isn't much I see that I would want outside of the main box and the major expansions anyway, which have been stated for retail, but it would be nice to be able to pick up a mini-pack with a miniature or two or three in it to add a little more enemy variety.)

Secondly, as far as I know, this is the first time that FFG has gotten involved in any way in something that has been Kickstarted. I know they've never Kickstarted anything themselves, which I applaud them for, but this is intriguing. We know that the higher-ups there have a love for the IP as they released their own minis game in the Mutant Chronicles universe a number of years ago.

Anyway, seems to be good news! We'll see how it shakes out.
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Wow!

This is huge! It make me ask, how much money could this KS raise if this news was announced couple of weeks ago.
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Interesting, thanks for the heads-up. Modiphius said that a big announcement was coming up in their last KS update, but said they were waiting for it to break in the US before providing details.

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Keiwa wrote:
Wow!

This is huge! It make me ask, how much money could this KS raise if this news was announced couple of weeks ago.
My thoughts exactly. But the last 48 should blow up completely now

It also makes sense in the light of the FFG/GW split.
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Keiwa wrote:
Wow!

This is huge! It make me ask, how much money could this KS raise if this news was announced couple of weeks ago.


I thought the same - being a game that's made by great designers and an already awesome IP, announced weeks ago i wouldn't doubt this KS would push close to a million.
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PRESS RELEASE

MUTANT CHRONICLES: SIEGE OF THE CITADEL SECURES DEAL FOR CO-PUBLISHING, GLOBAL DISTRIBUTION, AND LOCALIZATION WITH FANTASY FLIGHT GAMES.

Today Modiphius Entertainment, publisher of the Achtung! Cthulhu, Mutant Chronicles, Conan, Infinity, and John Carter of Mars roleplaying games, and Cabinet Entertainment (Conan the Barbarian, Kull of Atlantis, Solomon Kane, Mutant Chronicles, Mutant: Year Zero, Kult) announced a new partnership with Fantasy Flight Games for the global publishing, retail distribution, localization, and translation of the Mutant Chronicles: Siege of the Citadel miniatures board game.

In a joint statement issued by Fredrik Malmberg, president and CEO of Cabinet Entertainment and Chris Birch, publishing director of Modiphius Entertainment, “FFG’s global reach is unsurpassed in the hobby game industry and their expertise allows us the opportunity to focus on the game’s design and development. We’re thrilled to be working with them to bring Mutant Chronicles: Siege of the Citadel to friendly local game shops everywhere.”

Mutant Chronicles: Siege of the Citadel has currently raised more than $280,000 in a highly successful Kickstarter campaign with more than 2200 backers and three days to go. The retail version of Siege of the Citadel will be released worldwide after the delivery of the Kickstarter rewards, which are due to be shipped Q4 2017.

Siege of the Citadel, originally designed by Richard Borg and published by Target Games and Pressman Toys in the 1990s, was one of the first games of its kind to offer character development and the unique rotating Dark Legion player, among other groundbreaking ideas. Conceived by Sweden’s gaming powerhouse Target Games, Siege of the Citadel was advertised on television in the US and hundreds of gamers still own much loved copies across the world. This new edition reboots the classic game with balanced and updated rules, 40 new sculpted minis, new double-sided tiles, new creatures, and an A-List design team of Richard Borg, Eric M. Lang and Kevin Wilson.
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This is interesting.

As a rule I don't back games on KS that don't have finished rules but if FFG is involved I might make an exception. I'm sure their financial liability if the project goes south is almost nothing but I don't think they would get involved with a project they don't feel really confident will get finished even if their exposure is minimal.
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Borg, Lang, Wilson, Little, Modiphius and now FFG... How much do you need to get confident? This is a pretty solid combo I'd say.
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Does this mean a price hike?
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Mr Skeletor wrote:
Does this mean a price hike?


Quite possibly the retail version will be higher anyway since we put so much in the box. It also means you wont get online retailers in the US selling it cheap due to the new trade agreements
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JoystickJunkies wrote:
Mr Skeletor wrote:
Does this mean a price hike?


Quite possibly the retail version will be higher anyway since we put so much in the box. It also means you wont get online retailers in the US selling it cheap due to the new trade agreements


How do you figure? FFG games are still ~25% under retail online even with Asmodees new policies.
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FellintoOblivion wrote:
JoystickJunkies wrote:
Mr Skeletor wrote:
Does this mean a price hike?


Quite possibly the retail version will be higher anyway since we put so much in the box. It also means you wont get online retailers in the US selling it cheap due to the new trade agreements


How do you figure? FFG games are still ~25% under retail online even with Asmodees new policies.


But their initial asking price is higher.
 
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FellintoOblivion wrote:
JoystickJunkies wrote:
Mr Skeletor wrote:
Does this mean a price hike?


Quite possibly the retail version will be higher anyway since we put so much in the box. It also means you wont get online retailers in the US selling it cheap due to the new trade agreements


How do you figure? FFG games are still ~25% under retail online even with Asmodees new policies.


If you look at the recent releases from Fantasy Flight at places like Cool Stuff and Mini Market, you'all see they only provide a 15% discount. Sure older games have a larger discount but any new games coming out you're only going to see with a 15% discount at best. I wouldn't be surprised to see this go to 10% by the time Siege of the Citadel comes out.
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Well shit.

I do like Fantasy Flight, I just hope they don't get their hands on the rules. I do not want this to be a 24 page bloated rules set with ridiculous line of sight rules.
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thaddeuspwhirl wrote:
We know that the higher-ups there have a love for the IP as they released their own minis game in the Mutant Chronicles universe a number of years ago.
And aborted it quickly.

Mutant Chronicles Collectible Miniatures Game
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fightcitymayor wrote:
thaddeuspwhirl wrote:
We know that the higher-ups there have a love for the IP as they released their own minis game in the Mutant Chronicles universe a number of years ago.
And aborted it quickly.

Mutant Chronicles Collectible Miniatures Game


What an abortion that thing was.

Terrible distribution, terrible marketing and a terribly run business.
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Hannman wrote:
FellintoOblivion wrote:
JoystickJunkies wrote:
Mr Skeletor wrote:
Does this mean a price hike?


Quite possibly the retail version will be higher anyway since we put so much in the box. It also means you wont get online retailers in the US selling it cheap due to the new trade agreements


How do you figure? FFG games are still ~25% under retail online even with Asmodees new policies.


If you look at the recent releases from Fantasy Flight at places like Cool Stuff and Mini Market, you'all see they only provide a 15% discount. Sure older games have a larger discount but any new games coming out you're only going to see with a 15% discount at best. I wouldn't be surprised to see this go to 10% by the time Siege of the Citadel comes out.


Wow. Thanks for the info. I did not realize the price hike was continuing. FFG is really testing the market to see how far they can raise prices.
 
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chriswtham wrote:
Hannman wrote:
FellintoOblivion wrote:
JoystickJunkies wrote:
Mr Skeletor wrote:
Does this mean a price hike?


Quite possibly the retail version will be higher anyway since we put so much in the box. It also means you wont get online retailers in the US selling it cheap due to the new trade agreements


How do you figure? FFG games are still ~25% under retail online even with Asmodees new policies.


If you look at the recent releases from Fantasy Flight at places like Cool Stuff and Mini Market, you'all see they only provide a 15% discount. Sure older games have a larger discount but any new games coming out you're only going to see with a 15% discount at best. I wouldn't be surprised to see this go to 10% by the time Siege of the Citadel comes out.


Wow. Thanks for the info. I did not realize the price hike was continuing. FFG is really testing the market to see how far they can raise prices. :(


Their strategy working btw.
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mccrispy wrote:
Keiwa wrote:
Wow!

This is huge! It make me ask, how much money could this KS raise if this news was announced couple of weeks ago.
My thoughts exactly. But the last 48 should blow up completely now

It also makes sense in the light of the FFG/GW split.


Oddly enough I would think this is less reason to Kickstart. The main reason to KS is you don't think the game will be produced without the KS funds. With FFG backing funds shouldn't be a problem. I'll definitely check it out when it hits retail.

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Grumsh wrote:
mccrispy wrote:
Keiwa wrote:
Wow!

This is huge! It make me ask, how much money could this KS raise if this news was announced couple of weeks ago.
My thoughts exactly. But the last 48 should blow up completely now

It also makes sense in the light of the FFG/GW split.


Oddly enough I would think this is less reason to Kickstart. The main reason to KS is you don't think the game will be produced without the KS funds. With FFG backing funds shouldn't be a problem. I'll definitely check it out when it hits retail.
I suspect that it took a successful KS to demonstrate to FFG that there was a demand for the product. Now Modiphius have access to a vastly experienced producer of games of this ilk who can - at minimum - bring to bear resources for localisation, resources that would be beyond Modiphius' reach unless the KS blew up completely (which is hasn't and won't).

The KS is nothing to do with FFG as far as I can tell, they'll just come along as co-publisher as the line goes into normal retail cycles (though I'm sure they'll be there to assist Modiphius post-KS as they now have a vested interest. I see nothing out of line with normal KS practices - in many ways they've just shortened (OK, eliminated) the gap between a successful KS-only release and said KS project being picked up by a retail scale publisher.
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FFG co-publishing this means absolutely nothing to me. There is no objective gameplay videos etc... and no rulebook posted.
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crambaza wrote:
Well shit.

I do like Fantasy Flight, I just hope they don't get their hands on the rules. I do not want this to be a 24 page bloated rules set with ridiculous line of sight rules.


Modiphius and Cabinet are in charge of rules development :-)
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Are you able to tell us what will be available through retail channels other than the core game? I'm a huge supporter of my FLGS, and am not able to pledge to the Kickstarter, unfortunately.
 
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mccrispy wrote:
I suspect that it took a successful KS to demonstrate to FFG that there was a demand for the product.


Boardgames are just catching up to videogames (again). I've seen various videogame KS whose purpose was to prove interest in the game, so that the game could attract further investors and also publishers. This also happens in various other products on KS (some sort of iPhone earbud untangler, iirc).

One think BGG'ers forget is that KS does *NOT* help a company bring a product to retail beyond initial overhead costs (which are nonetheless important), such as steel molds for plastic figures. KS does NOT help creators ship product. KS does NOT help creators find distributors. KS does NOT tell creators how many units will be sold retail. KS does NOT subsidize distributor discounts. With FFG as a partner, Siege will have retail distribution that they alone may not have, or at least may not be able to do as well by themselves. Mophidius will be able to focus resources on KS backers and product, rather than costs and risks of the traditional retailer-distributor channel. Most BGG'ers have no reason to buy miniatures, but most miniature creators I see on KS still have no retailer presence beyond their own webstores.
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