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Playing a game on OCTGN. I'm Lannister banner Baratheon. My opponent is a straight Targaryen. I drew "Renly Baratheon" (STR 4) during setup, so he was on the table right away, which was perfect due to his beneficial marshaling ability. (Not to mention that he has all three icons). Plus I drew a duplicate of him after setup for my starting hand. Yes!

It's the first round of the game and my opponent gets initiative and decides to keep first player. In a few seconds I'm about to find out why... he marshaled "Crown of Gold" and slapped it on Renly! Oh no!

Renly's dead. Right away. Didn't even have a chance to put his dupe out! soblue

Have any of you guys had a similar (or not) bad experience with "Crown of Gold"? The thing that makes this card so nasty is that it can be used to kill a character during the Marshaling Phase!

Although I own the set it came from and was vaguely aware of its existence, this is the first time I've seen it played. Took me by total surprise. Plus my opponent used a discount when he marshaled it, to boot! So it cost him only 3 Gold to totally kill off one of my more useful characters right out of the gate!

I guess another reason I'm posting this is with hopes that one of you guys will tell me that I was missing something really basic, and that CoG can't be used to "auto-kill" a 4 STR character! But I don't think that's the case.


CROWN OF GOLD
Cost: 4
Deck Limit: 1. Terminal.
Attached character gains the King trait.
Attached character gets -4 STR and is killed if its STR is 0.


 
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Don't get me wrong, it's a strong card. It's a nice card to have for Targaryans, but it has a really high cost and has a deck limit of 1. There are other, cheaper 'kill-cards' like Tears of Lys and Put to the Sword that are probably stronger (cheaper)?

Anyway, molten gold hurts
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It can be annoying but seeing them spend 4 (or 3 and fealty in this case) on it often makes it ok, and you should be glad that you didn't dupe Renly since it wouldn't save him and now at least you have some intrigue fodder (or unknown card in hand)... (also I don't think Renly should be one of your "more useful characters" in a Lanni/Bara but I might be wrong).
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ilgoga wrote:
since it wouldn't save him.


For (my own) clarity: is this because the Crown Of Gold is a 'permanent' condition - meaning that the save can't really apply since the -4 strength doesn't go away, even after a save?

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Yes, except I think the word you're looking for is "constant" rather than "permanent".
 
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Yes, Crown of Gold is an excellent card. Burn on demand. It's even better with Dany on the table (kills 5 STR Characters).
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Olijf wrote:
Don't get me wrong, it's a strong card. It's a nice card to have for Targaryans, but it has a really high cost and has a deck limit of 1. There are other, cheaper 'kill-cards' like Tears of Lys and Put to the Sword that are probably stronger (cheaper)?

I agree there are cheaper 'kill cards' as you mentioned, but that Crown of Gold does its killing during the Marshaling Phase is what makes it especially nasty, especially if it's the 2nd player who's playing the card. It was being killed outside the Challenges Phase that surprised me. Are there any other cards that can kill outside the Challenges Phase?

ilgoga wrote:
(also I don't think Renly should be one of your "more useful characters" in a Lanni/Bara but I might be wrong).

There are two reasons for me, behind him being one of the "more useful"...
1) I don't own the entire card pool (I have only the first three chapter packs and Wolves of the North).
2) Although I enjoy answering rules questions here on the geek, it doesn't mean I know what I'm doing! modest ( Notice how I don't answer any strategy questions). It's like the old adage... "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."

So compared to the cards I own, and given my casual-level knowledge of strategy, I find him a worthwhile card for a Banner deck... especially if I can get him out during setup or use some effect to overcome his high cost. As long as I can keep him alive, he always provides a permanent discount for my Lannister Characters. So again, if he can be put out during setup, that's great. Plus, having all three icons makes him extremely versatile at a decent strength.

The pitfall of course, is that his ability becomes less valuable as the game goes into the later rounds. So given his high cost, come the 4th round or later, he could instead be planned as a discard to allow greater freedom to bust your Reserve. Or as you mention, as "Intrigue fodder".

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sdrewthomson wrote:
Yes, Crown of Gold is an excellent card. Burn on demand. It's even better with Dany on the table (kills 5 STR Characters).


Well, not exactly.
Dany's "burn" is only active against characters while they are in a challenge. If you drop Crown of Gold on a 5 STR target, he's at 1 STR but he will stay alive as long as he doesn't go into a challenge while Dany is standing.
That gives you at least the opportunity to remove the Crown, boost strength, or deal with Dany.
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bgm1961 wrote:

Olijf wrote:
Don't get me wrong, it's a strong card. It's a nice card to have for Targaryans, but it has a really high cost and has a deck limit of 1. There are other, cheaper 'kill-cards' like Tears of Lys and Put to the Sword that are probably stronger (cheaper)?

I agree there are cheaper 'kill cards' as you mentioned, but that Crown of Gold does its killing during the Marshaling Phase is what makes it especially nasty, especially if it's the 2nd player who's playing the card. It was being killed outside the Challenges Phase that surprised me. Are there any other cards that can kill outside the Challenges Phase?


http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/agameofthrones2ndedition...
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MasterDinadan wrote:
sdrewthomson wrote:
Yes, Crown of Gold is an excellent card. Burn on demand. It's even better with Dany on the table (kills 5 STR Characters).


Well, not exactly.
Dany's "burn" is only active against characters while they are in a challenge. If you drop Crown of Gold on a 5 STR target, he's at 1 STR but he will stay alive as long as he doesn't go into a challenge while Dany is standing.
That gives you at least the opportunity to remove the Crown, boost strength, or deal with Dany.


You're right, of course - my comment was slightly misleading.
 
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Vladimir17 wrote:
bgm1961 wrote:

I agree there are cheaper 'kill cards' as you mentioned, but that Crown of Gold does its killing during the Marshaling Phase is what makes it especially nasty, especially if it's the 2nd player who's playing the card. It was being killed outside the Challenges Phase that surprised me. Are there any other cards that can kill outside the Challenges Phase?


http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/agameofthrones2ndedition...

Ah, thanks for that! "Venomous Blade" is part of 'Called to Arms', a pack I just bought but haven't opened yet.

 
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Tyrion Lannister + 2 dup + body guard

Crown of gold

and all of them gone.
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