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“The U.S. intelligence community is confident that the Russian government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations,” said a joint statement from the two agencies. “These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process.”

The DNC publicly disclosed the intrusions in June, saying its investigation determined that Russian government hackers were behind the breach.

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This is clearly an academic conspiracy to funnel money into green energy, there's no way Russia is trying to elect a leader publicly sympathetic to their causes, that makes no sense.

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One of the reasons I didn't vote for Reagan when I had the chance was because I felt it was dangerous for the White House to be sabre-rattling at Russia. I (and the Democratic Party at the time) believed that being antagonistic toward Russia would lead to World War III.

Today, it's the Democrats rattling sabres at Russia, while Trump says "Yeah, I can work with Putin."

So, Dems. Why isn't the White House's approach similarly dangerous? And why isn't Trump being friendly with an adversary the sort of thing we encourage? Because you used to encourage it. What changed? Did the 80s call?

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Drew1365 wrote:
One of the reasons I didn't vote for Reagan when I had the chance was because I felt it was dangerous for the White House to be sabre-rattling at Russia. I (and the Democratic Party at the time) believed that being antagonistic toward Russia would lead to World War III.

Today, it's the Democrats rattling sabres at Russia, while Trump says "Yeah, I can work with Putin."

So, Dems. Why isn't the White House's approach similarly dangerous? And why isn't Trump being friendly with an adversary the sort of thing we encourage? Because you used to encourage it. What changed? Did the 80s call?



Weren't you the guy that said "the '80s called and they want their foreign policy back"?

How in the world is this saber-rattling? There's strong evidence Russia hacked the DNC and maybe others as well. Are you implying that the Russians should be able to influence our elections without any repercussions? That doesn't sound like the Drew I've come to know in this forum. The Drew I know wants his foreign policy tough and strong and to let Russia know who's boss.

You baffle me, Drew.


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Drew1365 wrote:
One of the reasons I didn't vote for Reagan when I had the chance was because I felt it was dangerous for the White House to be sabre-rattling at Russia. I (and the Democratic Party at the time) believed that being antagonistic toward Russia would lead to World War III.

Today, it's the Democrats rattling sabres at Russia, while Trump says "Yeah, I can work with Putin."

So, Dems. Why isn't the White House's approach similarly dangerous? And why isn't Trump being friendly with an adversary the sort of thing we encourage? Because you used to encourage it. What changed? Did the 80s call?


Few Dems are fans of Hillary's hawkishness.
Trump talks about admiring Putin, which is gross.
Russia's global presence is considerably different now than it was in the 80's -- the soviet socialist republics are a tad less united.
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Weren't you the guy that said "the '80s called and they want their foreign policy back"?


No, that was your favorite President Obama, mocking Romney for saying that Russia posed a threat. Apparently the President didn't think so.

It's been amusing over the last four years watching Democrats come to the realization that Romney was right, but still too proud to admit it.

So how to you deal with Russia?

Democrats are increasingly sounding like warmongers. Do you think that's the way to get them to back off? Democrats are not "speaking softly carrying a big stick." They're speaking loudly, but they have no sticks.

Do you think Hillary will be lobbied by the military industrial complex to get us into war? She's shown she's easily bought off, and she likes her "kinetic military actions."
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Terwox wrote:
Few Dems are fans of Hillary's hawkishness.


Are they going to oppose her?

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Think like a negotiator.

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Russia's global presence is considerably different now than it was in the 80's -- the soviet socialist republics are a tad less united.


You think they should just be ignored, then?

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Drew1365 wrote:
One of the reasons I didn't vote for Reagan when I had the chance was because I felt it was dangerous for the White House to be sabre-rattling at Russia. I (and the Democratic Party at the time) believed that being antagonistic toward Russia would lead to World War III.

Today, it's the Democrats rattling sabres at Russia, while Trump says "Yeah, I can work with Putin."

So, Dems. Why isn't the White House's approach similarly dangerous? And why isn't Trump being friendly with an adversary the sort of thing we encourage? Because you used to encourage it. What changed? Did the 80s call?

There is a difference between sabre rattling and being an active partner in the underlining of your democracy.
 
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It isn't sabre-rattling to state the facts in this case.

If we were saying we planned to invade Russia, yeah, that's an issue.

Calling out cyber attacks for what they are after getting the proper evidence - yeah, not so much.

It is definitely in the interest of the world for USA and Russia to improve relations, but not at the cost of allowing Russia to do whatever it wants to other countries without any consequences.

It's a delicate issue, but for now it will have to be fixed with tighter security on our end and a very highly skilled team to help infrastructure on a continual basis. I have no doubt they exist, but increasing the size of said team/department is critical as well as upgrading protocols relating to said knowledge.

It needed to be told so that people started to really take cyber security to the next level.
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Drew1365 wrote:
Terwox wrote:
Few Dems are fans of Hillary's hawkishness.


Are they going to oppose her?


Not many! Hell, hawkishness is one of the things I like about Clinton. But most dems don't. And she won the primary, so... yeah, of course not.

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Trump talks about admiring Putin, which is gross.


Think like a negotiator.


There's some truth to that -- but Trump has done a pretty poor job overall. Putin does seem like someone who would fall prey better to flattery than sabers, but speaking well of authoritarian leaders is still gross.

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Russia's global presence is considerably different now than it was in the 80's -- the soviet socialist republics are a tad less united.


You think they should just be ignored, then?


Nope! But you did ask what was different since the 80's. We're in a much different place in our relationship w/ Russia now than we were. Perhaps Trump would make us cozier w/ Russia, but I don't think that's worth it by any means.
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Drew1365 wrote:
mrspank wrote:
Weren't you the guy that said "the '80s called and they want their foreign policy back"?


No, that was your favorite President Obama, mocking Romney for saying that Russia posed a threat. Apparently the President didn't think so.

It's been amusing over the last four years watching Democrats come to the realization that Romney was right, but still too proud to admit it.

So how to you deal with Russia?

Democrats are increasingly sounding like warmongers. Do you think that's the way to get them to back off? Democrats are not "speaking softly carrying a big stick." They're speaking loudly, but they have no sticks.


So accusing Russia of hacking DNC emails and interfering with the election sounds like warmongering to you? If so, I think you're not interpreting the government's statement very well.

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Do you think Hillary will be lobbied by the military industrial complex to get us into war? She's shown she's easily bought off, and she likes her "kinetic military actions."


So Russia hacks DNC emails in an apparent effort to influence the election and the U.S. government accuses Russia of such.

Now you're saying you think Clinton will go to war with Russia because "she's easily bought off" by the U.S. military industrial complex?!

Have I missed anything? Because you really don't seem to have a good grasp of reality if you think Clinton will go to war with Russia over this.

Let me ask you a question; how do you feel about Russia trying to influence our election? Try to put your partisan blinders away for just 5 minutes and answer the question honestly.
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Drew1365 wrote:
One of the reasons I didn't vote for Reagan when I had the chance was because I felt it was dangerous for the White House to be sabre-rattling at Russia. I (and the Democratic Party at the time) believed that being antagonistic toward Russia would lead to World War III.

Today, it's the Democrats rattling sabres at Russia, while Trump says "Yeah, I can work with Putin."

So, Dems. Why isn't the White House's approach similarly dangerous? And why isn't Trump being friendly with an adversary the sort of thing we encourage? Because you used to encourage it. What changed? Did the 80s call?



I dunno. I did vote for Reagan. I did support the arms race which played a part in cracking the communist driven economy of the Soviet Union. To me Trump is worse than an appeaser like Chamberlain. He actually seems to be lightweight cheerleader.
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The truth comes about what our government has been up to and they want to start a war with Russia over it? Good luck.
 
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The truth comes about what our government has been up to and they want to start a war with Russia over it? Good luck.


"Russia hacked us"

"Russia hacked us FOR THE TRUTH"

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Drew1365 wrote:
Terwox wrote:

Trump talks about admiring Putin, which is gross.


Think like a negotiator.



Trump warming up to Putin and Kim Jung Un... he's a negotiator!

Obama working out a deal to stop Iran from pursuing nuclear weapons... treason!

You are one amusing character, Drew. Don't ever leave RSP.

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Obama working out a deal to stop Iran from pursuing nuclear weapons... treason secret Muslim!
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Drew1365 wrote:
One of the reasons I didn't vote for Reagan when I had the chance was because I felt it was dangerous for the White House to be sabre-rattling at Russia. I (and the Democratic Party at the time) believed that being antagonistic toward Russia would lead to World War III.

Today, it's the Democrats rattling sabres at Russia, while Trump says "Yeah, I can work with Putin."

So, Dems. Why isn't the White House's approach similarly dangerous? And why isn't Trump being friendly with an adversary the sort of thing we encourage? Because you used to encourage it. What changed? Did the 80s call?

There is a difference between sabre rattling and being an active partner in the underlining of your democracy.


Fortunately the United States isn't a democracy...it's a representative republic.



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Is the DNC a private corporation or organization ? If so, how much was spent "investigating" this and does the DNC then have to pay for that ?
 
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Is the DNC a private corporation or organization ? If so, how much was spent "investigating" this and does the DNC then have to pay for that ?


Let's frame the situation a little differently and tell me how you feel about it.

“The U.S. intelligence community is confident that the Chinese government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from the Republican Party” said a joint statement from the two agencies. “These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process.”

Are you OK with a foreign government interfering with our election process? A simple yes or no will do.
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It isn't sabre-rattling to state the facts in this case.


Is it really a good idea for the "U.S. Government to officially accuse Russia of interfering with [the] election"?

Emphasis on the word "officially." Doesn't making it official require some kind of response? Or is this like Obama's "red lines" that he'll then pretend he didn't draw when he has to actually follow up his words with action?
 
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Are you OK with a foreign government interfering with our election process? A simple yes or no will do.


I've said several times that I'm not okay with it. I said it when Obama raked in cash for his campaigns from foreign sources, and I said it again when Hillary did the same.

Democrats really didn't care then. Why suddenly now?
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Obama working out a deal to stop Iran from pursuing nuclear weapons... treason!


Shall we talk about that increasingly awful deal? Because it seems right now that the "deal" Obama made was to ensure they got them.
 
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Drew1365 wrote:
mrspank wrote:
Are you OK with a foreign government interfering with our election process? A simple yes or no will do.


I've said several times that I'm not okay with it. I said it when Obama raked in cash for his campaigns from foreign sources, and I said it again when Hillary did the same.

Democrats really didn't care then. Why suddenly now?


When a foreign government hacks political party emails and distributes them to Wikileaks solely for the purpose of influencing the election, that's a little different than accepting political contributions from a foreign government. I guess you don't view them differently and that's troubling.


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