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Tony Perkins and Ralph Reed let you know where they stand on the morality meter.... they are beneath the 0 marking.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/top-evangelicals-stand...


Never really had much opinion of their integrity... they're just failed humans trying to bilk a living out of the gullible. Like classier televangelists without the faith surgeries.
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I'm sure after Trump loses, he will stay very involved in the Evangelucal movement and help them achieve their goals. whistle
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So the actions of a couple lead you to condemn an entire group of people?
So all blacks are Thugs?
All Mexicans shank people?
 
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For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?
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laugh Yeah, right! JUST as soon that A-L-L the 'pigs' have "flown out" of Madonna's BUTT!
 
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darthhugo wrote:
Never really had much opinion of their integrity... they're just failed humans trying to bilk a living out of the gullible. Like classier televangelists without the faith surgeries.
You're not wrong.
It has been pounded into the head of the American electorate since Reagan that "the Republican party means family values!" And the whole enterprise has been a pyramid-scheme con where politicians use voters to get them elected, then promptly ignore them. If this whole Trump candidacy means anything, it's that a lot of evangelicals are apparently either A) willing to sell their principles down the river at the behest of the powers that be or B) not particularly evangelical after all.

Because if you are a person of faith, and still willing to pull the lever for Trump, you are putting someone else's personal political party gain above your supposed values. And that's kinda sad.
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TheDashi wrote:
So the actions of a couple lead you to condemn an entire group of people?
So all blacks are Thugs?
All Mexicans shank people?

Perhaps it was the fact that evangelicals predominately supported/still support Trump over any other candidate.
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TheDashi wrote:
So the actions of a couple lead you to condemn an entire group of people?
So all blacks are Thugs?
All Mexicans shank people?
Well if Trump wants to brand all Muslims terrorists or all Mexicans criminals why not reciprocate?
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fightcitymayor wrote:
darthhugo wrote:
Never really had much opinion of their integrity... they're just failed humans trying to bilk a living out of the gullible. Like classier televangelists without the faith surgeries.
You're not wrong.
It has been pounded into the head of the American electorate since Reagan that "the Republican party means family values!" And the whole enterprise has been a pyramid-scheme con where politicians use voters to get them elected, then promptly ignore them. If this whole Trump candidacy means anything, it's that a lot of evangelicals are apparently either A) willing to sell their principles down the river at the behest of the powers that be or B) not particularly evangelical after all.

Because if you are a person of faith, and still willing to pull the lever for Trump, you are putting someone else's personal political party gain above your supposed values. And that's kinda sad.
B, Look a how many of them do not live by the rules they preach.
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People who hate monied politics support Hillary because they believe Trump is worse... they aren't selling out their values. They just have to stop something they hate worse.

People who hate amoral representation in public support Trump because they believe Hillary would cause moral harm to our country rather than just being an immoral person like Trump is.... they are morally bankrupt themselves.

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People who hate amoral representation in public support Trump because they believe Hillary would cause moral harm to our country rather than just being an immoral person like Trump is....

That's interesting. Why do they believe in that way?
 
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So the actions of a couple lead you to condemn an entire group of people?
So all blacks are Thugs?
All Mexicans shank people?


I think your straw man is grabbing at some crow pussy.

Man... this meme is so useful. Thanks, Donald!
 
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fightcitymayor wrote:
darthhugo wrote:
Never really had much opinion of their integrity... they're just failed humans trying to bilk a living out of the gullible. Like classier televangelists without the faith surgeries.
You're not wrong.
It has been pounded into the head of the American electorate since Reagan that "the Republican party means family values!" And the whole enterprise has been a pyramid-scheme con where politicians use voters to get them elected, then promptly ignore them. If this whole Trump candidacy means anything, it's that a lot of evangelicals are apparently either A) willing to sell their principles down the river at the behest of the powers that be or B) not particularly evangelical after all.

Because if you are a person of faith, and still willing to pull the lever for Trump, you are putting someone else's personal political party gain above your supposed values. And that's kinda sad.


Once again, the large majority that espouse Christianity, aren't at all that. They just hide behind the BS to obfuscate their moral elasticity.

Makes me wonder if they even believe.
 
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jmilum wrote:
GameCrossing wrote:
People who hate amoral representation in public support Trump because they believe Hillary would cause moral harm to our country rather than just being an immoral person like Trump is....

That's interesting. Why do they believe in that way?


Largely abortion. The GOP used it as a wedge issue for a while to garner a particular corner of their base. Now evangelicals have it set in their head that "Rrrrrrr.... Dems baaaaaaaaad." So whether they are right or wrong about thinking that, it's their thought. But even if they are wrong about it, declaring them morally bankrupt for acting on what they believe in choosing the lesser of two evils is....

Well, it's SOP for huggy.
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Re: Just in case you were uncertain of the immoral bankruptcy of the Evangelicals
blush What is 'unascertain' is HOW MANY were 'closet gays'? 'blatant'? "BI"-'polar'?
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fightcitymayor wrote:
If this whole Trump candidacy means anything, it's that a lot of evangelicals are apparently either A) willing to sell their principles down the river at the behest of the powers that be or B) not particularly evangelical after all.

Perhaps they have grown up and discovered that who someone goes to bed with is not the most important element in choosing a President.

jmilum wrote:

Perhaps it was the fact that evangelicals predominately supported/still support Trump over any other candidate.

ALL the ones I know in both the USA and UK have a very negative reaction when his name is mentioned, more so than Clinton who is also seen as an indifferent candidate at best.

Maybe Johnson, Stein, Castle or McMullin would make a better President; hard to believe they would be worse.

I am just very thankful not to have a vote in this election; 2016 looks more like the low watermark in western democratic processes than a high watermark.
 
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So the actions of a couple lead you to condemn an entire group of people?
So all blacks are Thugs?
All Mexicans shank people?


Yes
 
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GameCrossing wrote:
People who hate monied politics support Hillary because they believe Trump is worse... they aren't selling out their values. They just have to stop something they hate worse.

People who hate amoral representation in public support Trump because they believe Hillary would cause moral harm to our country rather than just being an immoral person like Trump is.... they are morally bankrupt themselves.

Actually, you've got to consider both the President and Vice Presidential candidates as a ticket.

Moreover, the Republicans have something just as godawful as Trump on their ticket: the Dominionist Indiana Gov. Mike Pence.

So, by far, the Republican ticket offers nothing but doom.





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GameCrossing wrote:
jmilum wrote:
GameCrossing wrote:
People who hate amoral representation in public support Trump because they believe Hillary would cause moral harm to our country rather than just being an immoral person like Trump is....

That's interesting. Why do they believe in that way?

Largely abortion. The GOP used it as a wedge issue for a while to garner a particular corner of their base. Now evangelicals have it set in their head that "Rrrrrrr.... Dems baaaaaaaaad." So whether they are right or wrong about thinking that, it's their thought. But even if they are wrong about it, declaring them morally bankrupt for acting on what they believe in choosing the lesser of two evils is....

Well, it's SOP for huggy.

Rather, it's road apples defecated by the horses drawing that Doomsday buggy.

Mike Pence and Donald Trump have both promised the Teavangelicals and the Religious Far Right (which includes the Dominionists) that they're going to work toward overturning the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe vs. Wade decision legalizing abortion by nominating Supreme Court justices who are already predisposed to outlawing abortion altogether with no exceptions whatsoever.

Several weeks ago, Mike Pence went so far to say at the Values Voter Summit that a Trump/Pence administration would consign the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe vs. Wade decision legalizing abortion "to the ash heap of History where it belongs".





And Pence has repeated that pledge on the campaign trail, too.






For Pence, this is more of an imperative since his End-Times worldview is that both abortion and homosexuality must be outlawed altogether, two prerequisite conditions among others on an entire laundry list of things that must be accomplished first by Dominionists before Jesus Christ can make his Second Coming.























 
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This opinion piece is by Collin Hansen, the editorial director for the Gospel Coalition. He is writing a book on the Religious Right.

I don’t need to tell you about the latest revelation of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s views and behavior toward women. I won’t tell you these comments, because they’re not appropriate for any ages.

But I will tell you that the American evangelical movement and Religious Right won’t be the same after the 2016 presidential election.

This week I traveled to Nashville to speak with Russell Moore, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention. The largest Protestant denomination in the United States has elected him to represent their values in Washington and guide 15 million Southern Baptists in how to bring their faith to bear on public life.

I asked him what percentage of Southern Baptists he thinks will vote for Trump. He answered 80 percent. Yet Moore has become the most vocal evangelical critic of Trump. What gives?

Moore explained that he knows many Southern Baptists older than 50 who oppose Trump — and nearly all of them are women. Among Southern Baptists younger than 40, Moore says, almost all of them he knows are appalled by Trump. That means, then, that most white Southern Baptist men older than 50 back Trump, at least given the alternative of Hillary Clinton from the Democratic Party.

We already know this election has exposed deep racial divides in America at large and among evangelicals. Trump polls at historically low levels, perhaps just 3 percent, among African Americans who aren’t swayed by his promise to restore “law and order.”

But we’re also seeing this election expose significant generational divides. Some older evangelical leaders argue that Trump is a “morally good” choice and that he “lives a life of loving and helping others as Jesus taught in the great commandment.” Closer examination, though, continues to reveal the New York businessman as beholden to the unholy trinity of money, sex and power.

Younger evangelicals and former evangelicals have taken note. An aspiring president of the United States can brag about sexually assaulting women and still claim the backing of many if not most of the older stalwarts in the Religious Right.

Trump can maintain nearly all his evangelical support in the voting booth despite unrepentant lying and cheating. But these same leaders still insist on a traditional, biblical ethic when it comes to views on same-sex marriage in evangelical ministries.

The latest evidence of Trump’s depravity hits at the same time one of the leading evangelical parachurch ministries, InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, has come under scrutiny for requiring staff to believe that God intends sex to be enjoyed only in the context of marriage between one man and one woman. If you don’t see the connection between these two developments, then you’ll miss the story that will define evangelical unity and witness for the next generation.

To the older evangelicals planning to vote for Trump: You can try to explain the difference in electing a president and hiring a 23-year-old college graduate to evangelize students. You can say we’re electing a commander in chief and not a Sunday school teacher. You can say that God often raises up pagan leaders to deliver his people from their enemies. But no one is fooled by your arguments.

They can see you will apparently excuse anything in a Republican nominee so long as the alternative is a manifestly unqualified Clinton. And they will conclude that they don’t really need to listen to you when it comes to “traditional, biblical ethics.”

I know older evangelicals want to pass along a traditional, biblical ethic to the next generation. So do I. God’s Word is good for human flourishing yesterday, today and forever. Especially on college campuses, young Christians come under tremendous pressure to compromise their beliefs, either to find acceptance among peers or to escape the strict demands of chastity or both.

Can we not see, though, how older evangelicals are likewise tempted? Does aging past 50 suddenly deliver Christians from the need to fit in among their peers in the country club or diner? Can we not see how the church’s failure to discipline and teach against divorce and racism has orphaned so many youth who don’t know if they can trust their elders to do the hard thing when God demands it?

The 2016 presidential election will be remembered as the last spasm of energy from the Religious Right before its overdue death.

The older leaders aren’t replicating themselves among the rising generation. “There are no 22-year-old James Dobson’s,” Moore told me this week. The generations born between the rise of the Religious Right and 9/11 have already made their choice. They will be tempted to make new mistakes. But they won’t make the old ones.

Children of divorce don’t want to divorce when they grow up. Instead, as Moore said, they give up marriage altogether. Similarly, younger evangelicals who came of age under the Religious Right don’t want to risk their souls in a reach for power. As a result, many will give up politics altogether. They may give up a lot more in the process, if they conclude their elders can’t be trusted at all in the wake of Trump’s campaign with its overt and implicit misogyny and racism.

Hypocrisy is not about failing to live up to your standards. Hypocrisy is about teaching something you don’t actually believe.

Grace abounds for Christians who fall short of the glory of God and call on the name of Jesus for forgiveness and salvation. But woe to the hypocrites who hold the most powerful leader in the world to a lower standard than they do the searching young believer who desires to serve God and neighbor.
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