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Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?
 
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TheDashi wrote:
Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?


I would like all public servants to start wearing police type body cameras 24/7. I think that would solve most of our problems.

After all , if you have nothing to hide !
 
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Actually, I like BJ's idea that politicians wear patches like in NASCAR of all donors over a certain dollar amount...

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Darilian wrote:
Actually, I like BJ's idea that politicians wear patches like in NASCAR of all donors over a certain dollar amount...

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How big would a 20 million dollar saudi logo be?
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I think thats at least a shoulderpatch, if not on the back.

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TheDashi wrote:
Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?

Of course Clinton is the embodiment of this. So is Trump.

And frankly, if the US limited itself to having relations of any type with only liberal, democratic, free market countries, we'd be down to about 30 embassies around the world. Sure, it would save money, but .... well, you know, kind of stupid. The world is what it is, unless you want to go all Jimmy Carter on international relations.

Waitaminute -- Dash, are you liking Jimmy Carter's foreign policy these days??
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remorseless1 wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?

Of course Clinton is the embodiment of this. So is Trump.

And frankly, if the US limited itself to having relations of any type with only liberal, democratic, free market countries, we'd be down to about 30 embassies around the world. Sure, it would save money, but .... well, you know, kind of stupid. The world is what it is, unless you want to go all Jimmy Carter on international relations.

Waitaminute -- Dash, are you liking Jimmy Carter's foreign policy these days??


WHo is Trump really taking free money from?
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TheDashi wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?

Of course Clinton is the embodiment of this. So is Trump.

And frankly, if the US limited itself to having relations of any type with only liberal, democratic, free market countries, we'd be down to about 30 embassies around the world. Sure, it would save money, but .... well, you know, kind of stupid. The world is what it is, unless you want to go all Jimmy Carter on international relations.

Waitaminute -- Dash, are you liking Jimmy Carter's foreign policy these days??


WHo is Trump really taking free money from?

Who said anything about taking free money from (anyone)? Trump, I am certain, is not telling us everything he wants to do. No one running for president does. To be fair, Trump is accepting campaign contributions, so that's free money he doesn't have to give back if he doesn't spend it.

But I agree. This kind of audience plant really went out of style in the 1980s or so.
 
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TheDashi wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?

Of course Clinton is the embodiment of this. So is Trump.

And frankly, if the US limited itself to having relations of any type with only liberal, democratic, free market countries, we'd be down to about 30 embassies around the world. Sure, it would save money, but .... well, you know, kind of stupid. The world is what it is, unless you want to go all Jimmy Carter on international relations.

Waitaminute -- Dash, are you liking Jimmy Carter's foreign policy these days??


WHo is Trump really taking free money from?


Mercer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/us/politics/robert-mercer-...

How One Family’s Deep Pockets Helped Reshape Donald Trump’s Campaign

And mercer doesn't give a crap about anything but his personal tax exemption. American can burn to ashes as long as mercer gets his exemption. And mercer will target for destruction any republican who looks sideway's at mercer's tax exemption.

So on the one hand, it's free money if you obey mercer.

On the other hand, as cruz found out, it's NO money and on top of that large amounts of money targeted against you, if you don't obey mercer.
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The idea that a politician might, in speaking about the same topic, emphasize one aspect of it with Audience A, and emphasize another aspect of it with Audience B - wow, it probably never happened in human history until Clinton did it.

Except for when Lincoln did it in trying to get the 13th Amendment ratified and it was depicted that way in the movie Lincoln. Yeah, that was the first time, and Clinton was the second time. No other times, ever.
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Trump has a privates policy (grab 'em) and a pubic policy (also grab 'em).
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TheDashi wrote:
Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?


You seem to over look the business dealing that The Donald has done in Russia.

"There is strong evidence that Trump’s businesses have received significant funding from Russian investors. Most notably, Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. made that very claim at a real estate conference in New York in 2008, saying “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.” Donald Trump Jr. added, “we see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/heres-what-we-know-a...

And we seem to have seen already seen some of the effects. Like when he praised Vladimir Putin, stated that he could abandon NATO when faced with Russian aggression?

In general I think the country would find more success if we elected someone not selling out our allies to the Russian.

You have a question more based in reality? Or are you just capable of regurgitating right wing horseshit.
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TheDashi wrote:
Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?
Politicians (and yes Donny now is one) tailor each speech to the target audience, and will re-phrase policies to make them appeal.

The only difference with Donny is up until now he had only had to try and appeal to one demographic, but we are now seeing the same switching from one foot to the other form him (such as over immigration).

As to taking Money form 500 different directions, who do you think that is?

But in one respect you are right, Russia does not currently execute gays.
 
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TheDashi wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?

Of course Clinton is the embodiment of this. So is Trump.

And frankly, if the US limited itself to having relations of any type with only liberal, democratic, free market countries, we'd be down to about 30 embassies around the world. Sure, it would save money, but .... well, you know, kind of stupid. The world is what it is, unless you want to go all Jimmy Carter on international relations.

Waitaminute -- Dash, are you liking Jimmy Carter's foreign policy these days??


WHo is Trump really taking free money from?

Donald Trump (R)

Summary
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Top Contributors, federal election data
Election cycles covered: 2016

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Select source of funds: This page shows contributions grouped by contributor to the candidate's campaign committee plus any super PACs or hybrid PACs working on his or her behalf.
Renaissance Technologies $15,510,800
GH Palmer Assoc $2,005,400
Hawaiian Gardens Casino $1,000,000
Rhs Investments (Hank Seale) $500,000
Murray Energy $202,619
Auborn Manor Holding $200,000
John Powers Middleton Companies $150,000
Hubbard Broadcasting $106,400
LendingTree $102,615
JW Childs Assoc $100,250
Kushner Companies $100,000
Philips International Realty $100,000
Revily Inc $100,000
Rapid Response Television LLC $83,000
Impala Asset Management $80,400
Alliance Resource Partners $60,279
Southeast QSR $55,700
Energy Capital Partners $55,400
Manchester Financial Group $55,400
Upsher-Smith Laboratories $50,000
Domaine Serene Vineyards & Winery Inc $50,000

Lets not leave out loans from Russia.
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TheDashi wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?

Of course Clinton is the embodiment of this. So is Trump.

And frankly, if the US limited itself to having relations of any type with only liberal, democratic, free market countries, we'd be down to about 30 embassies around the world. Sure, it would save money, but .... well, you know, kind of stupid. The world is what it is, unless you want to go all Jimmy Carter on international relations.

Waitaminute -- Dash, are you liking Jimmy Carter's foreign policy these days??


WHo is Trump really taking free money from?

Trump doesn't need any patches, his tax proposals are designed primarily to benefit his own business interests.
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TheDashi wrote:
Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?


Hm. Do I think the country would do better? Yeah, I'd prefer publicly funded elections.

However, as Drew always points out, and he has a point -- who decides which candidates get subsidized? I think we could tackle this problem with a gated series of pools -- given a general requirement of $X to be listed on the ballot to keep people honest, then hold a general election to narrow that list down to Y candidates, etc. (It's not a perfect method, but it's a weak solution that simply points to the fact that this is a solvable problem.)

Of course, we're in America, and there's no way the parties in power would vote themselves out of power, so we wouldn't have anything like the above.

And are you comfortable limiting free speech -- e.g., overturning Citizens United? I am, but I'm a filthy liberal. I'd rather ban corporations from political donations at all -- corporations aren't people, ffs.

More importantly than any of that, I'd prefer that all donations were public, and lawmakers were expected to recuse themselves from creating laws that affected entities that helped them get elected. But that's absolute madness for the legislative branch, only the judicial is expected to have a conscience...

Anyway, decent topic.
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TheDashi wrote:
Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?


She's a hypocrite. Even the RSP hive mind isn't so dim as to have not sussed that out.

Why they'd still support what they claim to be against is a bit of a mystery. Probably the outrage over political double talk and hypocrisy is just a front on the part of most of them.



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Ferretman wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?


She's a hypocrite. Even the RSP hive mind isn't so dim as to have not sussed that out.

Why they'd still support what they claim to be against is a bit of a mystery. Probably the outrage over political double talk and hypocrisy is just a front on the part of most of them.



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Perhaps it is because the rest of us observe things like the connection between massive Russian investment in The Donald's business, and his praise for Putin, his signalling that he might abandon NATO allies faced with Russian Agression, talking about how NATO is "obsolete" right when Russian expansionism is growing, and his walking back his own running mates views on containing Russian expansion in Syria.

Not as much outrage, as we all don't have our noses firmly emplanted in The Donald's posterior so we actually can use our heads for something other than a hat rack
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Ferretman wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Is Hillary the embodiment of this?
Is Trump?

Is it less likely that Trump would be given that he doesnt have to promise support or favors to say, oh I dont know, countries that execute gays?

In general do you think the country would find more success if we elected someone that didnt take money from 500 different directions?


She's a hypocrite. Even the RSP hive mind isn't so dim as to have not sussed that out.

Why they'd still support what they claim to be against is a bit of a mystery. Probably the outrage over political double talk and hypocrisy is just a front on the part of most of them.

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You can hate political talk, pandering, and hypocrisy.

That doesn't mean that when someone who doesn't do that -- Trump -- comes along that liberals will automatically prefer him -- what he says is often abhorrent and many times legitimately quite stupid.

If you're going to be a "straight shooter," you still need to hit a target to win people over.

Anyway, that's my read on how other people see it. I'll take the goofy libertarian I disagree with instead.
 
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