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Rush Limbaugh dropped this little gem yesterday:

"You know what the magic word, the only thing that matters in American sexual mores today is? One thing. You can do anything, the left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it's perfectly fine. Whatever it is. But if the left ever senses and smells that there's no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police. But consent is the magic key to the left."

If he dropped all of the stuff about how this is how "The left" thinks about consent, I'd find myself agreeing with him for the first time ever. Because he's SO DAMN CLOSE to reaching the correct moral and legal conclusion here that it's painful. Just reach for it, Rush! Connect the dots! Why is it that we also require consent for the transfer of property from one person to another? What's that about? Are there parallels to be drawn here?

But to be honest, I'm incredulous that he actually doesn't understand consent. I think he understands it perfectly well and just doesn't think it should apply to obvious alpha males like himself.

https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/10/12/limbaugh-left-send...
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Wow, at first you think he's being reasonable, then he makes "consent" another dirty liberal word like "triggers" and "safe spaces", like we're unreasonable in calling "the rape police" (also known as just "the police") if consent is not involved in sexual activity.

There aren't enough face palm memes in the world.
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We all want two strong, functioning political parties that are willing to compromise and work together for the good of this country. But because of the rightwing media and their listeners that vote in the GOP primaries, the GOP has become increasingly abrasive, divisive, and uncompromising. If you want a great example, look at what they're being forced to do to Merrick Garland, a man they respect who has impeccable credentials. Or literally anything the twice-elected President with high approval ratings wants to do. No compromise. And if they DID compromise, they'd be thrown out of the next primary by a Tea Party hardline candidate. They know that, that's why they do what they must.

How do we find ourselves here? Language is powerful. It bleeds into our thoughts and actions. Here is a list of words that the right-leaning media have given a negative connotation by equating them with "evil" and/or "communist" constantly, always, 24/7/365.

-liberal
-progressive
-equality
-diversity
-intellectual
-women's rights
-worker's rights
-minority rights
-LGBT rights
-environmental protection
-renewable energy
-universal background checks
-universal healthcare
-social programs
-welfare
-sensitivity
-Black Lives Matter

and so on... Can they just start saying "ignorance is strength" and drop the pretenses? Now, none of these words are bad. In fact, many used to have positive connotations. But the rightwing media got a hold of them, and twisted and twisted them with doublespeak until many Americans now think these concepts are bad, even something as blatantly positive as "equality". It's a propaganda machine that would make Big Brother jealous.

And now apparently you can throw the word "consent" onto that heap. If you're a conservative friend or family member, I'm not asking you to change your beliefs, but please stop inundating yourself with these hateful deceptions. Find a source of news and political commentary that does more than just vilify the opposition. We need solutions and compromise, not blind partisanship. I think we can all agree on that much.
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I'm choosing not to hear this in Rush's voice, but the voice of a competent and rational human being. It doesn't entirely solve the warped weaponization of the word 'consent' at the end, but it sure does soften it!
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But if the left ever senses and smells that there's no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police.


Those darn rape police. They way they police rape all the time, so annoying.
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Isn't consent supposed to be the fundamental key to a free society? The consent of the governed as opposed to the divine right of kings? The non-aggression principle. These are all based on consent.
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I'm sure if heard the tone of his voice was setting up consent as the boogeyman bludgeon to bash liberals with during the rest of the diatribe. That's just how he rolls.
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But if the left ever senses and smells that there's no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police.


Those darn rape police. They way the police rape all the time, so annoying.

Yeah that part was confusing too. Usually when you use the phrase "the X police" mockingly it refers to the unnecessary policing of something like "the fashion police" or "the grammar police". The "rape police" is part of the actual function of policing. I'm not sure how you mock that. Should we not police rape?
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…Should we not police rape?

Terrifyingly, I don't think Rush and most of his ilk think we should.
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dkearns wrote:
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But if the left ever senses and smells that there's no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police.


Those darn rape police. They way the police rape all the time, so annoying.

That's why I prefer the Dream Police.
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What the freakin' what?
The level of cynicism required to demonize the word "consent" is beyond imagining.
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Wow. This is the most disgusting thing I've read lately. Nice.

The modern right, folks.
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Has he ever been accused of rape?
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What the freakin' what?
The level of cynicism required to demonize the word "consent" is beyond imagining.

Insane, yes. But I would hazard a guess he was going for the "perverted" lifestyle of teh liberals, such as male homosexuality (Rush admits he likes watching attractive lesbians get it on), group sex, transgender sex, extramarital sex (yeah, he's a hypocrite about that one), teenage sex, etc. His idiotic point was that those horrid liberals think everything sexual is okay as long as people give "consent." In short, he's defending a 19th-Century style sexual morality that has long been wishful thinking with little basis in fact.

Pretty much what he does with any subject.
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To be fair to Rush, I can understand how consent is somewhat of a nebulous concept if you're wasted on a nasty Oxy and Viagra cocktail, and that Caribbean vacation isn't going to start itself.
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Has he ever been accused of rape?


Serial divorcee...yes.
 
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That's a lot of outrage. For what, exactly? What did he say wrong?
 
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Shampoo4you wrote:
We all want two strong, functioning political parties that are willing to compromise and work together for the good of this country. But because of the rightwing media and their listeners that vote in the GOP primaries, the GOP has become increasingly abrasive, divisive, and uncompromising. If you want a great example, look at what they're being forced to do to Merrick Garland, a man they respect who has impeccable credentials. Or literally anything the twice-elected President with high approval ratings wants to do. No compromise. And if they DID compromise, they'd be thrown out of the next primary by a Tea Party hardline candidate. They know that, that's why they do what they must.

How do we find ourselves here? Language is powerful. It bleeds into our thoughts and actions. Here is a list of words that the right-leaning media have given a negative connotation by equating them with "evil" and/or "communist" constantly, always, 24/7/365.

-liberal
-progressive
-equality
-diversity
-intellectual
-women's rights
-worker's rights
-minority rights
-LGBT rights
-environmental protection
-renewable energy
-universal background checks
-universal healthcare
-social programs
-welfare
-sensitivity
-Black Lives Matter

and so on... Can they just start saying "ignorance is strength" and drop the pretenses? Now, none of these words are bad. In fact, many used to have positive connotations. But the rightwing media got a hold of them, and twisted and twisted them with doublespeak until many Americans now think these concepts are bad, even something as blatantly positive as "equality". It's a propaganda machine that would make Big Brother jealous.

And now apparently you can throw the word "consent" onto that heap. If you're a conservative friend or family member, I'm not asking you to change your beliefs, but please stop inundating yourself with these hateful deceptions. Find a source of news and political commentary that does more than just vilify the opposition. We need solutions and compromise, not blind partisanship. I think we can all agree on that much.

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look Rush is just mad because we think he's taking advantage of those underage Thai sex workers he visits on his vacations
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mightygodking wrote:
look Rush is just mad because we think he's taking advantage of those underage Thai sex workers he visits on his vacations

Are those workers male or female -- or both?


 
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That's a lot of outrage. For what, exactly? What did he say wrong?


He framed the notion of sexual consent as a partisan issue that matters only (or primarily) to the left.

If one is *very* charitable, what he may have meant to say is 'we all think that consent is crucially important but left only cares about consent and nothing else'. That is not how his statement comes off at all.
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That's a lot of outrage. For what, exactly? What did he say wrong?


He framed the notion of sexual consent as a partisan issue that matters only (or primarily) to the left.

If one is *very* charitable, what he may have meant to say is 'we all think that consent is crucially important but left only cares about consent and nothing else'. That is not how his statement comes off at all.


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Consent clearly is a political issue applied differently by democrats to people who are for or against abortion. And applied evenly by most others.

What are you missing?

Or am I missing something?
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
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Koldfoot wrote:
That's a lot of outrage. For what, exactly? What did he say wrong?

He framed the notion of sexual consent as a partisan issue that matters only (or primarily) to the left.

If one is *very* charitable, what he may have meant to say is 'we all think that consent is crucially important but left only cares about consent and nothing else'. That is not how his statement comes off at all.

?

Consent clearly is a political issue applied differently by democrats to people who are for or against abortion. And applied evenly by most others.

What are you missing?

Or am I missing something?

Yes, you couldn't possibly be more disingenuous. Consent is NOT restricted to matters of abortion. Consent applies to all matters of sexual activity.

Without realizing it, Rush Limbaugh was making the argument advanced by the Political Left that sex should be consensual.

That's why Republicans disagree and offer all those charts offering various definitions of rape that vary in degrees of consensuality.

Check them out at the following clickable link: The GOP Rape Definition Advisory Charts


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bramadan wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
That's a lot of outrage. For what, exactly? What did he say wrong?


He framed the notion of sexual consent as a partisan issue that matters only (or primarily) to the left.

If one is *very* charitable, what he may have meant to say is 'we all think that consent is crucially important but left only cares about consent and nothing else'. That is not how his statement comes off at all.


?

Consent clearly is a political issue applied differently by democrats to people who are for or against abortion. And applied evenly by most others.

What are you missing?

Or am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something.

It clearly wasn't said in any of the above posts, but it was assumed.

And that is the word "adult". It is only necessary to get 'consent' if you are dealing with adults. With children and non-persons the rules are different.

Parents are given [all over the world] wide latitude to force their children to do or not do a lot of things. Parents give their consent for life saving operations for their children. Teachers are also given some latitude over children. Etc.

Abortion? -- Fetuses are non-persons and their consent is not required for anything. If an operation is required to save their lives how can they give consent before they are born. To oppose abortion on this basis is just dumb.

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Steve1501 wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
bramadan wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
That's a lot of outrage. For what, exactly? What did he say wrong?


He framed the notion of sexual consent as a partisan issue that matters only (or primarily) to the left.

If one is *very* charitable, what he may have meant to say is 'we all think that consent is crucially important but left only cares about consent and nothing else'. That is not how his statement comes off at all.


?

Consent clearly is a political issue applied differently by democrats to people who are for or against abortion. And applied evenly by most others.

What are you missing?

Or am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something.

It clearly wasn't said in any of the above posts, but it was assumed.

And that is the word "adult". It is only necessary to get 'consent' if you are dealing with adults. With children and non-persons the rules are different.

Parents are given [all over the world] wide latitude to force their children to do or not do a lot of things. Parents give their consent for life saving operations for their children. Teachers are also given some latitude over children. Etc.

Abortion? -- Fetuses are non-persons and their consent is not required for anything. If an operation is required to save their lives how can they give consent before they are born. To oppose abortion on this basis is just dumb.



First, I was unclear. People who are pro abortion are defended by democrats in matters of sexual impropriety.

Secondly, all the outrage was on assumed stuff, not what was said? How does that work?

Thirdly, you think someone is unclear on adult/child distinction as it pertains to consent? You feel the need to enlighten us on that point? Please. Just stop posting. You are simply arrogant, not intelligent.
 
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