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This debate rolls on. It is really about 'Who can afford what'. My bone of contention is all the waste in a 2nd set. Do we need 2 sets of rules, identical Quests, same Investigators? I am sure more people would buy a cheaper 'upgrade' that just added more investigator deck cards and a few extra tokens just in case. IE No wasted bits! Cheers!
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Rashley wrote:
This debate rolls on. It is really about 'Who can afford what'. My bone of contention is all the waste in a 2nd set. Do we need 2 sets of rules, identical Quests, same Investigators? I am sure more people would buy a cheaper 'upgrade' that just added more investigator deck cards and a few extra tokens just in case. IE No wasted bits! Cheers!


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Rashley wrote:
My bone of contention is all the waste in a 2nd set.


This is one thing that *really* annoys me about LotR LCG. Adventure packs come with a play set of every card (even ones that explicitly say you can only use a single copy of in a deck).
The Core Set, on the other hand, has a bunch of 2-ofs and 1-ofs... If you do go the full nine yards and buy 3 copies of the core set, you'll end up with:
6x extra copies of every "common" player card
3x extra copies of every "uncommon" player card
2x extra full sets of enemy/scenario cards
2x extra full sets of tokens
2x extra sets of instructions
2x extra boxes (which you probably need to store all the duplicates you now have)

All for the ~50ish cards you actually want. That's less cards than you get in a typical adventure pack...

The amount of waste is honestly more of a barrier to me than the cost involved (although that is a high barrier too)
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Agreed. If I could just get a second set of the relevant cards only and the extra tokens, I would have already ordered it. I wouldn't even mind if the profit margin were a bit bigger. I just object to the waste.
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Not only is this discussion tired and old, but the proposed solution is tired and old. Sorry.

It's just not going to happen. FFG knows their market well enough and has the data that will tell them whether it's worth their while to print an "upgrade" expansion for their LCGs. It hasn't happened, so I assume that it won't - despite how strongly I feel that it's something that I'd want (depending on price).
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Oh, it's this discussion? I wasn't expecting at all. In fact, it was just as unexpected as the Spanish Inquisition.
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Rashley wrote:
This debate rolls on. It is really about 'Who can afford what'. My bone of contention is all the waste in a 2nd set. Do we need 2 sets of rules, identical Quests, same Investigators? I am sure more people would buy a cheaper 'upgrade' that just added more investigator deck cards and a few extra tokens just in case. IE No wasted bits! Cheers!


It's not as bad as all that. Keep in mind that the encounter sets in the core will be the only ones available to ALL future cycles, so (unless you're sleeving all your encounter cards) they're going to see some wear and tear. I personally am going to be pleased to have backups around.

And if you didn't have two of each investigator, you'd miss out on playing a "Roland's identity crisis"-style campaign!
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Not a controversy.
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We need another thread on this? Really?
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Rashley wrote:
This debate rolls on. It is really about 'Who can afford what'. My bone of contention is all the waste in a 2nd set. Do we need 2 sets of rules, identical Quests, same Investigators? I am sure more people would buy a cheaper 'upgrade' that just added more investigator deck cards and a few extra tokens just in case. IE No wasted bits! Cheers!


Was something wrong with the other dozen threads already about this?
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vlad3theimpaler wrote:
Rashley wrote:
This debate rolls on. It is really about 'Who can afford what'. My bone of contention is all the waste in a 2nd set. Do we need 2 sets of rules, identical Quests, same Investigators? I am sure more people would buy a cheaper 'upgrade' that just added more investigator deck cards and a few extra tokens just in case. IE No wasted bits! Cheers!


Was something wrong with the other dozen threads already about this?


Yes, this one really made sure that it was really, super clear that there was really actually a real debate.

You know rather than just understanding that this is FFG's way and has been since the beginning of the LCG model.

Even knowing that though the Game of Thrones core set was a huge step above every other core set previously released. It had one of every card except those that you needed to play up to four players with a single set (i.e. Varys, Littlefinger, etc.). That's awesome! So buying when buying multiple sets there was very little overlap, and what overlap there was were mostly staple cards.

In terms of player cards AH: LCG is likely exactly the same.

In terms of encounter cards I am looking at this as being able to have the scenarios assembled and ready to go for long sessions. That's a totally fine use for the extra sets for me.

Finally: if you don't like how the game is sold, don't buy it.
 
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Finally: if you don't like how the game is sold, don't buy it.

I won't be buying a second core set, just out of principle. If they were to release an upgrade pack, like discussed earlier in this thread, I would buy that.
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Exo Desta wrote:
miloshot wrote:
Finally: if you don't like how the game is sold, don't buy it.

I won't be buying a second core set, just out of principle. If they were to release an upgrade pack, like discussed earlier in this thread, I would buy that.

Oh really, even if they charged $30 you would buy it?
 
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Since the game is dead/dying/moribund/a bit peaky anyway, it doesn't matter how many core sets you buy.
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roborob wrote:
Exo Desta wrote:
miloshot wrote:
Finally: if you don't like how the game is sold, don't buy it.

I won't be buying a second core set, just out of principle. If they were to release an upgrade pack, like discussed earlier in this thread, I would buy that.

Oh really, even if they charged $30 you would buy it?

Let's be reasonable.

But even given that situation, sure, why not? Am I so vain that I want them to use the resources to build me an extra rulebook that I will never use, nor any of the other redundant components, just because the cost is the same?
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PERSPECTIVE Please--

People aren't just begrudging a purchase, and not just complainers, or cheap, etc... as some posters who love this format suggest...


Just one point -- where I am, after tax and shipping the core will be $65. So, is a card game (in the same format as a dozen others and really used theme, even if cool), worth $130 JUST to get the Full core experience ?

...especially considering the "milking it" nature of the selling model. Just something to consider when getting angry or insulting to people who are against or can't jump in. shake

This is a game "community"... I'm surprised there's so much nastiness against groups of people, instead of building up (though I do understand a bunch of the same type thread can annoy ). But that's just me, no further comment here.
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PERSPECTIVE Please--
Just one point -- where I am, after tax and shipping the core will be $65. So, is a card game (in the same format as a dozen others and really used theme, even if cool), worth $130 JUST to get the Full core experience ?


This is besides the point, but you are in Canada ya? You do know that 401 Games has the coreset for $45 CAD, with $8.95 flat-rate shipping (or free, if you order over $150). Similar deals can be found at MeepleMart and BoardGameBliss.

Just trying to save you some money
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Twitch_City wrote:
jgb7 wrote:
PERSPECTIVE Please--
Just one point -- where I am, after tax and shipping the core will be $65. So, is a card game (in the same format as a dozen others and really used theme, even if cool), worth $130 JUST to get the Full core experience ?


This is besides the point, but you are in Canada ya? You do know that 401 Games has the coreset for $45 CAD, with $8.95 flat-rate shipping (or free, if you order over $150). Similar deals can be found at MeepleMart and BoardGameBliss.

Just trying to save you some money

He gets free health care, he can afford an extra core
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Ha ha ha ha, yeah, but there's no family doctors now to go to.
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Interociter wrote:
Since the game is dead/dying/moribund/a bit peaky anyway, it doesn't matter how many core sets you buy.


Maybe I don't understand it and is just irony... Is the game dead already?
 
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luismesas wrote:
Interociter wrote:
Since the game is dead/dying/moribund/a bit peaky anyway, it doesn't matter how many core sets you buy. :p


Maybe I don't understand it and is just irony... Is the game dead already?


He's British, innit? and tapping into the popular "this LCG is on its way out..." thread fodder.
 
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luismesas wrote:
Interociter wrote:
Since the game is dead/dying/moribund/a bit peaky anyway, it doesn't matter how many core sets you buy.


Maybe I don't understand it and is just irony... Is the game dead already?


It's a joke. The game isn't dead. People like to propose a game's death when it isn't being talked about as much so someone made an ironic post asking that question about this game being unreleased. 100% fiction.
 
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It's not a controversy. Also I'm not sure there is much of a debate. You either are okay with the format or it bugs you, but it is the format, and it's been the LCG format forever. This game only requiring 2 core sets to get the max of each player card is an improvement from other LCGs that would require 3 core sets. Also the printed rules clearly state what combinations of investigators you can field with 1 core set for a two player game, which is good enough to get you playing. You don't actually need the second core set unless you are playing for 3 or 4 players or you want complete freedom to mix and match investigators.

The bottom line is if you can't afford 2 core sets then buy 1 core set. If that bugs you too much that you don't have a complete play set then there are plenty of other games out there. Don't buy into this game. Look this is going to be an expensive games. After the core set you are basically signing up for a game that is going to have a monthly expense. Don't force yourself into a game that upsets you.

Also I'm pretty sure anything that can be said on this subject has already been said.
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Controversy?

It's basically a solo game.

Only thing people need to get a grip on is that two cores are needed for a 4 player expetience. Once the expansion wagon starts going full bore you won't care about original multiples.
 
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phillosmaster wrote:
Also I'm pretty sure anything that can be said on this subject has already been said.


Looking forward to having the same conversation all over again when Legend of the Five Rings: The Card Game comes out!
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