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So when did this sentence structure become in vogue? "Recommend me a ..." or "Suggest me a ..." NO! I see this as a thread topic line all the time now and it sounds ridiculous!


"Could someone recommend to me a ..." or "Please give me your suggestions on ..." Or "I'd like a recommendation for a ..." That's how you do it!

OK, I feel better now.
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It's just a shorthand method of saying the same thing.
In a 21st century text/tweet world, everything is shorthand.
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fightcitymayor wrote:
It's just a shorthand method of saying the same thing.
In a 21st century text/tweet world, everything is shorthand.


...and I HATE it! Damn kids and their tweety talk!
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desertfox2004 wrote:
fightcitymayor wrote:
It's just a shorthand method of saying the same thing.
In a 21st century text/tweet world, everything is shorthand.


...and I HATE it! Damn kids and their tweety talk!


Recommend me a better way to talk

Kidding, kidding. I agree that it grinds my gears, though I do think you have to keep in mind that we have a lot of non-native English speakers, and 'recommend me' may be a perfectly serviceable sentence, when translated into their native language. I can say this is the case for Russian, at least.

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aaj94 wrote:
desertfox2004 wrote:
fightcitymayor wrote:
It's just a shorthand method of saying the same thing.
In a 21st century text/tweet world, everything is shorthand.


...and I HATE it! Damn kids and their tweety talk!


Recommend me a better way to talk

Kidding, kidding. I agree that it grinds my gears, though I do think you have to keep in mind that we have a lot of non-native English speakers, and 'recommend me' may be a perfectly serviceable sentence, when translated into their native language. I can say this is the case for Russian, at least.

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Oh I know what you saying and I don't disagree. Just remember this is a pet peeve, which almost by definition doesn't have to be reasonable or rational!
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desertfox2004 wrote:
"Could someone recommend to me a ..." or "Please give me your suggestions on ..." Or "I'd like a recommendation for a ..." That's how you do it!

I tend to agree with it making sense in someone's native language, but also, recommend is clearly the key verb, so it should be central to the sentence.

I'm not sure, "give me a recommendation", is technically passive, but it has a similar feel. The verb should be recommend.

Sure, it's maybe most correct as, "Recommend a game to me," or just, "Recommend a game," but English is a pretty versatile and robust language: I don't think, "Recommend [to] me a game," is going to destroy the language, even if it sounds like from Yoda it comes.

I was reading one of Patrick O'Brian's books. He's known for a Jane Austin like, early 19th century style, with phrasing and vocabulary authentic to the period, though he wrote at the end of the 20th century. He wrote something like, "He went under the grateful shade of the trees." Now, we know "he" was grateful, not the shade or the trees, but the meaning comes across; and the sentence is a lot more interesting than many of the options. It gives the shade some importance and impact without making the protagonist (him) seem weak by being notably emotionally grateful that he's now in the shade. So it was an interesting construction.
 
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I'd like a recommendation for the position of "game player of a game I like". I think I'd be highly qualified to do that particular job. If you could forward that recommendation to the appropriate game, I'll follow your letter and see which game you've sent it to (and thus deduce which game you think I'd like). Or if that seems too complicated, suggest me an alternative plan.
 
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I love me some recommendations

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I never heard the phrase 'needs vacuumed' until I moved to Michigan. Before it was always 'needs to be vacuumed.'

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Jythier wrote:
I never heard the phrase 'needs vacuumed' until I moved to Michigan. Before it was always 'needs to be vacuumed.'


I'm hearing it more often than I'd expect more and more, with the phrase "to be" being excised from sentences.

"That needs to be recompiled" -> "That needs recompiled"

Etc.

Doesn't sound right to me, but if that's the way language is evolving, so be it.
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Oh that's one of mine!
"The car needs repaired".
No! Argh. And I hear it a lot nowadays.

And in the corporate world, I hear this at least three times a week when a meeting ends early (even two minutes early):
"OK, looks like we're done, I'm going to give back X minutes of your day."
It's not bad per se, it's just that everyone's saying it.

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"Click here for a sneak peak!" What, is it a ninja mountain?
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Jythier wrote:
I never heard the phrase 'needs vacuumed' until I moved to Michigan. Before it was always 'needs to be vacuumed.'



Similar usage of 'needs verbed' can be heard in Ohio.
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wifwendell wrote:
Jythier wrote:
I never heard the phrase 'needs vacuumed' until I moved to Michigan. Before it was always 'needs to be vacuumed.'



Similar usage of 'needs verbed' can be heard in Ohio.


Well, sure, I moved from New England, so any number of places could have that. I just never heard it there.
 
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I know you're being prickled for comic effect (to at least some degree) but I found this On Point pretty interesting.

Linguist John McWhorter explores how the meaning of words change dramatically over time, and why we should embrace this.

Linguist John McWhorter knows that language drives a lot of people crazy. The way it shifts and moves. The way it changes and defies old usage. Sticklers for grammar can feel assaulted, overwhelmed. McWhorter says relax. Get over it. We need to teach proper grammar and usage, he says, but we also need to let it go. Language never sits still, he says. And that’s like totally all right. Totes. And if that, like, bothers you, stand by. This hour On Point, linguist John McWhorter on how language moves.


— Tom Ashbrook

http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/09/13/english-evolution-lan...
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fightcitymayor wrote:
It's just a shorthand method of saying the same thing.
In a 21st century text/tweet world, everything is shorthand.


How can it be shorthand when you can say:

"Can you recommend a good movie?"
 
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MWChapel wrote:
I just want someone to recommend me. I'm worth it.

Inform me why.

(Interesting that inform works fine while recommend seems odd.)
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